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Something that has bothered me ever since I joined the Stack Overflow community is the large number of awful questions. I know that if a question is low quality, it will get closed, but the question still stays on the site cluttering it up unless a moderator or the OP deletes it.

So here's my question: When a post is marked as a duplicate, or closed as "off-topic" or "unclear what you're asking", why doesn't it just get deleted or at least made invisible? If it's not helpful to the site why can we still see it while browsing the tags?

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  • There are various paths towards this content being removed. Also note, that most of these types of posts only generate a few dozen views per year, so the exposure isn't quite as grand as it is being made out to be.
    – Travis J
    Oct 28, 2016 at 18:32
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    As a note, users with enough reputation (10k+) can vote to delete questions after they've been closed a certain amount of time. (2 days) That time is to give the OP a chance to edit/fix their question, if at all possible. If the question is bad enough, users with 20k+ rep can vote to delete -3 or lower scored questions immediately after closure.
    – Kendra
    Oct 28, 2016 at 18:32
  • So basically I just need to increase my reputation and start deleting these? :-)
    – MD XF
    Oct 28, 2016 at 18:52
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    @MDXF In any practical sense, no, because you'd still need two other people with 20k to also vote to delete them, and the odds of two more people also finding the post and wanting to delete it tend to be low in most cases. Realistically you'd need to be a mod to actually result in questions being deleted.
    – Servy
    Oct 28, 2016 at 18:54
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    I think this would help meta.stackoverflow.com/q/333477/792066
    – Braiam
    Oct 28, 2016 at 19:37
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    What @Servy, plus you'd have to find a way to stop people from answering and/or up-voting terrible questions, and up-voting answers to terrible questions. That is what keeps a lot of the crap alive. Oct 29, 2016 at 9:19
  • My teachers always taught me 'there's no such thing as a crappy question, only crappy answers'. Oct 29, 2016 at 14:03
  • @StijndeWitt Here are some examples of just how crappy some questions are (and to everyone else, even when they have answers or comments. We've got crap like this with an answer, this with 5 comments and this that probably should be on Unix & Linux SE. These provide no value to the community and I feel that they just need to... go away.
    – MD XF
    Oct 29, 2016 at 16:57
  • @MDXF Your second example, in particular, is not very representative: it was posted last week (and will soon be deleted, as per Glorfindel's answer), and the five comments are rightfully ripping the question apart (so there is nothing wrong with them).
    – duplode
    Oct 30, 2016 at 0:14
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    The reason they're left alone, to my knowledge, is so that someone else with the same question can google it, and find that crappy question, instead of asking a duplicate of it; ideally, they'll also find an answer that solves their problem. The existence of the Reversal badge indicates that this is considered useful by the guys in charge. Unfortunately, a lot of people don't actually do this, which renders it less useful than it could be. And if the question is really bad, or unhelpful in any way, it'll just end up deleted. Oct 30, 2016 at 1:26
  • @MDXF about the UL question, that would be downvoted there too.
    – Braiam
    Oct 30, 2016 at 1:37
  • @Braiam I agree, but at least it would be on-topic.
    – MD XF
    Oct 30, 2016 at 1:56
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    With regard to duplicates, it can be useful to have the added keywords linking to a good question for future searchers. If all duplicates were just deleted you would lose those keywords.
    – Suragch
    Oct 30, 2016 at 6:55
  • While I agree that it is nice to clean up the site, bear in mind that "deleting" posts doesn't actually delete them, it merely makes them invisible to non-members (including search engines) and members with <10k rep. Those with 10k+ (and moderators) can still see them (although they do have a distinctive background colour so you can tell they've been deleted).
    – PM 2Ring
    Oct 31, 2016 at 9:07
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    @StijndeWitt What your teacher actually meant was that she's paid to answer your questions, regardless of how crappy they are, so you should feel free to ask any question that you want to ask, because she's not allowed to refuse to answer it because of its quality. Of course, when you're asking questions of people who aren't paid to answer your questions, then they may well decide that your question isn't worth answering if it isn't of an acceptable level of quality.
    – Servy
    Oct 31, 2016 at 13:14

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We don't delete them, to give the author a chance to improve his/her question so that it conforms to the Stack Overflow standards. If this doesn't happen, Roomba kicks in after a few days:

If the question was closed more than 9 days ago, and ...

  • not closed as a duplicate
  • has a score of 0 or less
  • is not locked
  • has no answers with a score > 0
  • has no accepted answer
  • has no pending reopen votes
  • has not been edited in the past 9 days

... it will be automatically deleted.

If the question is utter crap, trusted users (>20k rep) can vote to delete the question immediately after closure, and slightly less trusted users (>10k rep) after two days.

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    What about this post? or this one? There are so many examples...
    – MD XF
    Oct 28, 2016 at 18:34
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    @MDXF Those posts have upvoted answers, so they won't be automatically deleted.
    – Servy
    Oct 28, 2016 at 18:34
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    @MDXF - A combined 200 views over 2 years on those posts, I don't see how that is necessarily problematic.
    – Travis J
    Oct 28, 2016 at 18:35
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    @TravisJ Until you multiply it by a few million questions with the same problem.
    – Servy
    Oct 28, 2016 at 18:36
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    @TravisJ 6214 views and a 1-vote answer
    – MD XF
    Oct 28, 2016 at 18:36
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    @MDXF and ... they're gone. Good riddance!
    – Glorfindel
    Oct 28, 2016 at 18:37
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    @Servy - That is a rather large brush to paint with here, perhaps if there were actual stats to back up that 2 million posts need to be deleted I would be more inclined to agree. Do you really think that 20% of the content here is crap?
    – Travis J
    Oct 28, 2016 at 18:39
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    Often questions with low views or with complex issues do not receive voting of any kind. This does not immediately make them "crap". A more indicative query would have focused on answers as well as voting, and included 0 voted posts. As it is much easier to recognize something wrong with a post than it is to corroborate the issue raised, often decent posts will sit at 0 votes.
    – Travis J
    Oct 28, 2016 at 18:57
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    Put another way, if you were to have removed all of the posts except the 3,333,350 posts noted, a great disservice would have been done to the site.
    – Travis J
    Oct 28, 2016 at 18:59
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    @Servy - Well, you indicated 20% was worthy of deletion, which would leave roughly 10,000,000 remaining and delete 2.4 million posts. Certainly it is possible that some of these posts warrant deletion, however, judging a question merely by its vote count and not including the answers posted there throws out a very, very, very large amount of signal and essentially amounts to either being naive or flat out disingenuous towards improving content.
    – Travis J
    Oct 28, 2016 at 19:11
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    "If the question is utter crap, trusted users (>20k rep) can delete the question immediately" - That should read more like "If the question is utter crap, trusted users (>20k rep) can vote to delete the question immediately". Just a bit of clarification. Oct 28, 2016 at 21:09
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    Well, not quite, it first takes 5 users to close the question, at least 3 users to downvote the question, then 3 trusted users to vote to delete it. Having to have so many users involved when getting rid of crap is certainly a core reason why it doesn't happen often enough. With the added the wrinkle that the crappier the question (especially the title), the less likely those users will show up. So SO users optimize their questions to be as crappy as possible, basic survival of the fittest. Oct 29, 2016 at 8:05
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    @TravisJ 20% crap is an underestimate. Depending on the tag, I would say many times more than half of all questions are just sad unhelpful pleas for help.
    – bjb568
    Oct 31, 2016 at 10:37
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    And this is why when you need a very bad question, you should downvote it and all the answers. (Along with voting to close if the question is not already closed.) Oct 31, 2016 at 12:20
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    @IanRingrose eh, in my experience downvoting all the answers too just results in the answerers upvoting each other, it's a losing battle.
    – Kevin B
    Oct 31, 2016 at 15:19
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Theoretically, "closed" is a temporary state. A closed question should be either improved or deleted. However, only some questions are deleted automatically (more details in Help Center). For example, if a question has an accepted answer or an upvoted answer, it won't be deleted automatically. Such questions can be deleted manually by users with delete vote privilege. Moderators can delete questions too, but they rarely do so, because they have to handle things that can't be handled by community (for example comments flags).

It's a bit different with questions closed as a duplicate. In some cases it's better to keep them. See Dr. Strangedupe: Or, How I Learned to Stop Worrying And Love Duplication:

There’s often benefit to having multiple subtle variants of a question around, as people tend to ask and search using completely different words, and the better our coverage, the better odds people can find the answer they’re looking for.

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    "On Hold" is the temporary state - after a couple of days they're "Closed".
    – Glorfindel
    Oct 28, 2016 at 18:42
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    @Glorfindel "on hold" is a "more" temporary state—the difference from "closed" is that when such a question is edited, it goes into the reopen queue. Oct 28, 2016 at 18:46
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    " A closed question should be either improved or deleted" -- or be kept as a signpost duplicate, if that applies.
    – duplode
    Oct 28, 2016 at 23:06
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    @duplode Right, I added that to my answer. Oct 29, 2016 at 9:07
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We actively delete questions via Community Moderation. We tend to focus on delete candidates that have or will survive Roomba so as to preserve the few votes we are allotted.

For those with 10k+ rep and the Delete Privilege, we have access to the 10k Tools screen. It is quite basic, though, without even simple filtering and searches.

We have chat rooms that call out various questions to consider for deletion.

And we write bots to identify delete candidates for others to consider. In particular attempting to address some of the shortcomings of the 10k Tools screen.

If you have delete votes available, feel free to stop on by the Campaigns room to assist whenever you get a chance. Ping one of us. Odds are you will get a list shortly thereafter. A list without bias that you will need to work and apply your own common sense and choice.

As always use your best judgment in preserving good content. Do No Harm. Because the question may not be crappy and might deserve another chance.

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One aspect to consider about deleting every closed post is those that are closed as duplicates. The reason those are kept is that while the content can be found elsewhere, the phrasing of the question might be different than the question it is duplicating. It's still useful for the closed question to exist as it allows people who phrased their question differently to find the actual easily through a google search.

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Just leave them alone

I don't understand, and probably never will understand, this need from Stack Overflow community members to try and moderate these things beyond what the community already does automatically.

The search engines will solve this for you

'Crappy' questions will not get many answers. They won't get many votes. Comments on them tend to relate not to the subject, but to the quality of the question. People will not link to these questions from other questions or from blog posts. All this will result in crappy questions getting crappy search engine rankings. Stuff that does not appear in search results might as well not exist as far as the internet goes.

The opposite is also true

If a question gets linked to, gets valuable answers, gets ranked high in search engines etc... then who are we to judge that this question was in fact crappy? If it really was, then why the answers, links etc?

Time is the best moderator

I see questions with scores over a 100 being closed as off topic... If they really are off topic then where do the votes come from? Just let time and the existing community moderation do it's work. Crappy questions will automatically sink to the bottom.

Who here is going around undoing the 'bad moderation'? If a question has 100+ votes, why is it still closed? Is the public wrong? Or are SO mods stubborn?

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    You're assuming that every non-'crappy' question is on topic by virtue - that just isn't true. Content that isn't appropriate for the site can gather many upvotes, inbound links, etc, that doesn't mean it shouldn't be closed if it doesn't fit here
    – Clive
    Oct 29, 2016 at 14:19
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    Crappy means bad. Off-topic means doesn't belong here. They're very different things, one has obvious negative connotations and the other is just a neutral statement of fact. You can vote at 15 rep, and a user with 15 rep isn't necessarily experienced enough to know what's on or off topic. So it's not useful to take votes as a measure of appropriateness for the site, because that's not what they are; it's why we have the other mechanisms. It sounds like you don't enjoy community-moderated content, but unfortunately that's what SO is
    – Clive
    Oct 29, 2016 at 14:58
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    I'm not a moderator, I'm just one of the members of the public you're talking about. At some point you'll just need to accept you're in the minority. Trying to pretend that the lack of support for your opinion confirms your opinion isn't going to cut it I'm afraid.
    – Clive
    Oct 30, 2016 at 14:09
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    Oh I'm not pretending anything. I just visit this site very regularly. What I'm seeing is that I see a lot of issues cloded, where the public is voting for these issues. Just now I googled up this one with 67 votes (I just added one) and closed. If half the questions I encounter using Google are high voted but nonetheless closed, I conclude that moderation is overzealous. How much moderation should be applied is inherently opinion-based and my opinion differs. Oct 30, 2016 at 15:09
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    @StijndeWitt "If half the questions I encounter using Google are high voted but nonetheless closed, I conclude that moderation is overzealous" -- That only follows if you assume moderation should be done according to public opinion.
    – duplode
    Oct 30, 2016 at 15:13
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    @StijndeWitt: Please do not upvote off-topic questions. Oct 31, 2016 at 10:11
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    "The difference is that I believe visitors can decide for themselves what is appropriate or not." Yes, 100 times! If I write just one thing on the next SO survey, it will be this.
    – Ian Goldby
    Oct 31, 2016 at 10:32
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    Regarding your comment "only the mods come here so no one here ever wants to hear the voice of the public", you'll notice that I'm the first moderator to comment anywhere on this post. In fact, I've argued for not deleting posts on multiple occasions ( meta.stackoverflow.com/a/337030/19679 meta.stackoverflow.com/a/332611/19679 ) and normal members of the community disagreed with me. There aren't enough elected moderators on the entire site to account for the votes on these answers. The community does have a voice on Meta, and moderators don't have special control over it.
    – Brad Larson Mod
    Oct 31, 2016 at 15:10
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    @StijndeWitt ... You're right, but there are a small number of people who come here for power, not to help. Experts-Exchange thought that could live by charging for answers. Stack-exchange thinks they can live by removing useful questions. Yes, questions that are against SO's official policies - but if those don't change in 5 years, we'll be getting our IT answers from a different site in 10 years, one that sees the obvious truth you see here. (talking more about recommendations/opinions being 'off topic', not crappy questions, but you are right about that too - they're useful for Google bait)
    – FastAl
    Oct 31, 2016 at 16:39
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    Not only is your argument based on an overly simplistic model, your assertion that mods cause deletion is completely wrong. Mods are among the most anti-deletion people on meta. Perhaps familiarizing yourself with the reality here will allow you to analyze complex problems on the site better.
    – bjb568
    Oct 31, 2016 at 17:43
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    @LightnessRacesinOrbit I said I googled up an off-topic post and voted for it... maybe you won't believe me but I found that post, not because I was looking for an off-topic post to paste here, but because at almost any time I will have multiple browser tabs with SO answers open. I google for tech stuff a lot and I find these answers. Many of them closed as off-topic. And voted highly. It happens all the time. You can keep saying they are off-topic, but Google does not agree with you. These questions are on-topic for my searches. Oct 31, 2016 at 21:06
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    @StijndeWitt [1/2] That is a false dichotomy. It is not a choice between letting a small cabal of regulars dictate what is acceptable according to their whims versus leting anyone who visits the site do whatever they want. This sitebis open to anyone, as long as they respect a handful of fundamental principles that exist ever since Stack Overflow came into being. It is not a problem if someone rejects said principles -- they can go somewhere else and ask and discuss however they feel like. But they should not expect to impose their will on this community by force of numbers.
    – duplode
    Oct 31, 2016 at 21:09
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    @Clive Ok, you're trying to take this in a very weird direction now. Yeah... the concept that off-topic vs on-topic is broader than SO and it's particular rules and guidelines is 'a very weird direction'. Of course google's algorithms don't dictate what is on and off topic on an unrelated QA site. Ehm you know that determining whether content is on-topic for a certain search query is the search engine's core business right? I visit Google every day asking programming related questions => Google finds answers to my questions on SO (no wonder as it's a programmer Q&A site) => on-topic Oct 31, 2016 at 21:17
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    "You can keep saying they are off-topic, but Google does not agree with you. These questions are on-topic for my searches." What a nonsense. Google does not get to decide what the topic of this website is, and neither do you. Nov 1, 2016 at 12:03
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    Google has nothing to do with on-topicness, and if it ever had I wouldn't use it. Say, if I wanted to find about porn sites, last thing I'd need would be Google telling me that it's off-topic at SO. "Your search is closed because off-topic, bwa-ha-ha"
    – gnat
    Nov 1, 2016 at 19:28

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