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I'm from Iran. In my country the government filters web content; I'm not going to discuss that. They block any content contains triple x (of course if appears in this way xxx).

The xxx in page content is not the problem, as you know the question's title is the question's URL too, and problem is in the URL not the page content. There is no problem with xxxxxx, xxx-something, xxxSomething, the problem is just for SPACExxxSPACE.

If triple x is replaced with with something like xyz it would be be better for people like me. It would not change the question itself, just the URL.

Update


Some guys mentioned there is some problem with database, SVN & ..., if the stack's team update old questions! (btw, I'm using database, SVN too, and as I know it's not really problem with updating database, I'm doing that every day), anyway, replacing question can happen for future questions.

OR

In the right side hint box (you can see that when you going to ask question), stack's team can suggest people to avoid using xxx in question title.

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    Maybe users read this and use xyz instead of xxx in future, I think is not big deal using xyz instead of xxx. Commented Oct 18, 2016 at 7:12
  • @MehdiDehghani I assume there're many more words that are blocked by Iran and other governments, do you suggest SE should replace them as well? What if that would change the meaning or formatting of posts?
    – vaultah
    Commented Oct 18, 2016 at 7:16
  • I think if stack is for everyone, so maybe must try to fix the issues as much as possible. Commented Oct 18, 2016 at 7:18
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    On posts tagged feature-request, voting typically indicate agreement or disagreement with the proposed change.
    – vaultah
    Commented Oct 18, 2016 at 7:33
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    @MehdiDehghani Sure, but put the shoe on the other foot. You're asking us to inconvenience all of our users simply because one government has a silly word filter? This would only irritate a lot more users than are currently being affected.
    – animuson StaffMod
    Commented Oct 18, 2016 at 7:34
  • @animuson because some governments are silly, some guys must miss some questions and articles because xxx?is not funny? I'm saying replacing xxx with something else is not impossible work Commented Oct 18, 2016 at 7:41
  • We get your point, Mehdi, and as said I'm sure you have the sympathy of everyone here. One could also make the argument that allowing access for people in countries with silly governments outweighs some effort on SO's part, and even inconveniencing everyone else to some degree. But it's not as simple a thing as you make it look. I can't speak for the SO team, but this is probably not going to happen.
    – Pekka
    Commented Oct 18, 2016 at 7:45
  • Also, I just checked and realized the problem is exceedingly small. I can find 1,869 questions that you might have trouble accessing - out of more than 12 million.
    – Pekka
    Commented Oct 18, 2016 at 7:50
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    @Pekka웃 The only option we have to do stuff like that is the blacklist filter, which adds another regex pass to every single thing that gets posted to the site. We only ever add things to that when it's absolutely necessary, and remove things that rarely ever get hit.
    – animuson StaffMod
    Commented Oct 18, 2016 at 7:51
  • I just added some more info to my post. also I'm programmer too and I think it's really simple job. Commented Oct 18, 2016 at 7:52
  • Looking at the microscopic size of the problem, maybe there's a better solution: how about we edit it out of the titles of those questions that have loads of votes/views, and where it's used as a pure placeholder, when needed. The TortoiseSVN question (at the moment the highest voted question containing the string) is a good example.
    – Pekka
    Commented Oct 18, 2016 at 7:54
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    @MehdiDehghani You don't really know the dynamics behind how SO is built and how it works, or you wouldn't be saying that this would be "a really simple job". The guys at SO are constantly weary about performance, and the entire site is a quite complex construct of stuff on a strictly as-necessary basis.
    – Magisch
    Commented Oct 18, 2016 at 7:55
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    I edited your example question so you can access it.
    – Pekka
    Commented Oct 18, 2016 at 8:07
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    @Pekka, absolutely. I was just pointing that out in case they run into problems about that in the future. Commented Oct 18, 2016 at 8:22
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    @FrédéricHamidi I think it's different with Firefox's logo, of course because I love Firefox I used the logo, but I'll search about that and if necessary I'll replace that, thanks. Commented Oct 18, 2016 at 8:30

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While I'm sure you have the sympathy of all of us here, I don't think Stack Overflow can start altering content for everyone sitting behind some form of government or other firewall.

  • This would likely not be the only string that needs to be altered, so there'd be an unknowable number of future changes and updates.

  • Each replaced string would likely create loads of problems as a consequence—broken code, changed meanings, confused users, et cetera.

Stack Overflow is indeed for everyone, but that's a negative right—meaning, the site is not doing anything to actively prevent anyone from using it (like country filters, subscriptions, requiring participation to view content, paywalls, etc.).

It can not, however, fix every problem accessing the site that it hasn't caused.

Edit: the problem also appears to be very limited in size. I count 1,869 questions on Stack Overflow, out of some 12 million. There might be a better way to work that out: we could manually edit the string out of question titles when needed, when they clearly do not serve any purpose other than being a placeholder. Whether there's a way to come up with a process for that would merit a different question, though.

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  • You right, you should not replacing all filtered words, but it's xxx guys, it's not a big deal. Commented Oct 18, 2016 at 7:35
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    @Mehdi it is a big deal. Here is an example of a question where the filter would actually break code, and the meaning of the question.
    – Pekka
    Commented Oct 18, 2016 at 7:37
  • True, that question is not blocked for me, because is not ` xxx ` Commented Oct 18, 2016 at 7:38
  • OK - so the filter catches only when the string occurs in a whole word. But there's going to be questions out there that would get broken by the change, and we have no way of finding them in the thousands of questions that use the string as a placeholder. If this were as easy as you think, and came with no problems in the future, I'm sure the team would consider it. It's not, though.
    – Pekka
    Commented Oct 18, 2016 at 7:40
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    @MehdiDehghani here's another one. Both xxx and xyz are present on the page, replacing just xxx will introduce confusion.
    – vaultah
    Commented Oct 18, 2016 at 7:42
  • @vaultah There problem is for Title not question body, also if we hav ` xxx ` Commented Oct 18, 2016 at 7:45
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This would be a (reasonably concerning) slippery slope. I'm sure your government hasn't just blocked this sequence of words, but many others. Other governments (like China) might have a completly different set of blocked terms.

We can't start redacting content from the site when ever a government decides to be very silly and implement a keyword based web filter. Not to mention this would add the need to have people redact posts in bulk on stack overflow as reaction to pretty much any government changing their filters. Its not feasible or desireable.

I think if stackovrflow is for everyone, must try to fix issues as much as possible, down voter, please tell me, replacing xxx with xyz will change the question concept?

Stack Overflow is for everyone in that it in and of itself doesn't prevent anyone from accessing it, besides some well-defined exceptions laid out in the ToS. It's not Stack Overflow's responsibility to ensure that your government in its censorship happy sillyness isn't blocking access to it's ressources.

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  • You right, you should not replacing all filtered words, but it's xxx guys, it's not a big deal. Commented Oct 18, 2016 at 7:35
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    @MehdiDehghani If we accomodate Iran's "xxx" filter, someone from say china could reasonably demand we accomodate them too.
    – Magisch
    Commented Oct 18, 2016 at 7:35
  • If you can help that guy, you should do that. I'm saying we are here to help each other as much as we can, right? I don't know, maybe I got something wrong about the reason of creating stackoverflow Commented Oct 18, 2016 at 7:37
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    yeah but then it's not a simple 1 word anymore but several 100 maybe if people from everywhere come and say "but @MehdiDehghani has gotten his word approved"
    – Hayt
    Commented Oct 18, 2016 at 9:57
  • @Hayt I answered this before, please read comments before repeat other people's words. thanks. Commented Oct 18, 2016 at 10:10
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    @MehdiDehghani I know this was brought up before but you seemed to ignore the point.
    – Hayt
    Commented Oct 18, 2016 at 10:16
  • @Hayt I think you ignore the point, you (I mean all of you) just hit the down vote, without any reason, that's funny, it was just an offer. some guys with K scores think only they know about programming & ..., there is not really big for me, if I could n't open some questions, I think this is stack team problem if they can not solve this issue. of course if any of you was of stack core team. Commented Oct 18, 2016 at 12:54
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    @MehdiDehghani Do you have a crystal ball? Votes are anonymous. I, for instance, didn't even vote on this question yet.
    – Magisch
    Commented Oct 18, 2016 at 12:55
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    @MehdiDehghani this is a place for opinions and discussions. And most people here mentioned they can understand how it sucks etc. But this could have long term consequences just for making it easier for a minority here on the site + the questions you have a problem with are also just a minority. Of course it is easier for people who don't have the problem to say "no". But they may also easier see the bigger picture.
    – Hayt
    Commented Oct 18, 2016 at 13:01
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    And in the end this is not a stackexchange problem but one of your government (which I understand is hard to change). But the people offered you to change those titles when you have problems. So if you ever run into one of those situations again I think you can post here and ask kindly for people to change the title for you.
    – Hayt
    Commented Oct 18, 2016 at 13:06
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    The downvotes are BECAUSE people think it's a horrible idea. You offered it, and people showed you it's a bad idea with downvotes and then let you know WHY here. It's not a "simple" problem with a "simple" solution - it's not as simple as just replacing strings - you aren't thinking of all the ramifications. Commented Oct 18, 2016 at 13:07
  • Okay, you know more than me, you offer what can do about this issue?btw, it's not about me, it's about people like me. and also it's not really big deal for me, there is tons of ways to open that filtered pages, but I just wanna report the issue. your act reminded me what people did with Galileo, that's funny, but it's true. I just made an offer not a war ! Commented Oct 18, 2016 at 15:41
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    @MehdiDehghani and what part of the answers you're getting here is "war" exactly? People are telling you why your offer isn't as good as you seem to believe it is, is all. I understand your logic for "the change isn't hard", because let's be honest, it isn't (or shouldn't, at least).... But that change sets the precedent we will filter out words based on a rule that isn't from us. This will make it hard to accommodate everyone at once, and creates a crazy slippery slope (check recent Meta discussions about offending content, you'll get an idea)
    – Patrice
    Commented Oct 18, 2016 at 16:23
  • @Patrice xD, I said war, because of 21 down vote and so many negative comments, instead of offering a solution. btw I made an alternative way to my question body, I think that's not hard as updating questions. Commented Oct 18, 2016 at 16:49
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    @MehdiDehghani but, sorry if it sounds confrontational: Do we HAVE to offer a solution? You come in with a feature request, we say it's a bad one. Just like on the main site, the onus should be on you to tone, tweak, and polish your request, no? In any case. This is still not war. This is just people telling you they disagree with you. No one was rude, insulting or dismissive to you, so I don't even see why you say "negative comments"... Negative in the sense we disagree? sure. But besides that, there is a decently healthy conversation going on. What more can you ask for?
    – Patrice
    Commented Oct 18, 2016 at 16:51

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