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If I amass a huge amount of reputation through plagiarized answers, and someone discovers it a year later, and moderators delete the answers, I get to keep the reputation gained through those answers (under the rule of reputation not being removed for deleted contributions older than 60 days).

That seems... wrong.

If there's no reputation loss, there's really no deterrent against plagiarism at all (except maybe in those rare cases where literally the entire account consists of plagiarism and is nuked by the moderators).

You just need to go undetected for two months, which is not hard.

This makes looking for plagiarized contributions (or even caring about plagiarism on the sites at all) basically pointless - and consequently, Stack Overflow reputation becomes even more meaningless than it already is.

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    Destroy the user, their posts and their reputation on the second offense. Problem solved. Oct 17, 2016 at 9:47
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    If the deletion of plagiarized content gets the user a post-ban, it is still effective, even if the user gets to keep their ill-gotten points.
    – S.L. Barth
    Oct 17, 2016 at 9:49
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    This is actually a valid point. If someone plagiarized something with a certain no. of points and got away with it for 2 months, there isn't a way to take that rep from them. Huh. Maybe that's something that needs fixing.
    – Magisch
    Oct 17, 2016 at 9:54
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    @FrédéricHamidi the mods don't seem to do that if there's original content on the account, too. Only in cases of 100% plagiarism
    – Pekka
    Oct 17, 2016 at 10:00
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    @Pekka, yup, it makes sense that moderators prefer to err on the side of indulgence. But personally, when I think about it I consider plagiarism as the worst kind of offense one can inflict to the network. Voting rings and sockpuppets are a joke compared to plagiarism, which allows one user to take credit for another's efforts. I would let it pass once (to err is human) but not twice. Oct 17, 2016 at 10:03
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    @Pekka웃 you're right in the sense that if someone makes a genuine attempt to help that happens to be plagiarism - we'll just delete the post and give the user a nudge. If it's a blatant plagiarist - their account goes boom anyway. Also - although moderators don't have the ability to, we have a way of contacting the community team and can request vote invalidation. So basically - as soon as it's realised - action can be taken one way or t'other. Oct 17, 2016 at 10:35
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    We've had community managers disassociate highly upvoted stolen content from the filthy thieves who posted them from time to time. I wonder if it'd be worth reporting them using flags or the contact form...
    – BoltClock
    Oct 17, 2016 at 10:39
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    @JonClements I recently flagged a number of contributions from someone who was both a blatant plagiarist, but also kind of a helpful community member in other posts. Nuking the account seems extreme, but letting them keep the rep from their plagiarism is wrong, too. I flagged only five examples, should I flag everything I can find so other measures (like getting a team member to invalidate the votes) is considered?
    – Pekka
    Oct 17, 2016 at 10:42
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    @Pekka웃 there's a bit more to do but this specific case is handled. Oct 17, 2016 at 10:48
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    Oh, come on Pekka, do we have to have yet another discussion about what reputation actually means?? Yet again: it is not a number that has anything to do with technical competence, only how familiar you are with the system. Given the completely hypothetical case of somebody that earns lots of rep with plagiarized content and not getting noticed for an entire year, surely you ought to vote for him in the next moderator election. That's a very smart operator that knows every trick in the book. Besides, it is just hypothetical, the community police won't let it happen. Oct 17, 2016 at 10:58
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    @Hans Given the completely hypothetical case of somebody that earns lots of rep with plagiarized content and not getting noticed for an entire year, surely you ought to vote for him in the next moderator election. that indeed puts a completely different perspective on it!... :) Any similarities with any currently running real-world elections are entirely coincidental, of course.
    – Pekka
    Oct 17, 2016 at 10:59
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    Just for the record though, those cases aren't hypothetical, and the community police doesn't seem to be great at catching serial plagiarists. I frequently run into years-old contributions where a guy with broken English suddenly writes like a MIT grad. @Hans
    – Pekka
    Oct 17, 2016 at 11:03
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    You know what is worse? The plagiarized content getting more upvotes than the original one. I cam across a post where the whole answer was copied from another answer and had a comment below stating something like I copied all this stuff from the other answer <link>.. The other answer did not even have half of the upvotes of the plagiarized answer. (Aside, One of the projects at Sobotics room, is to detect plagiarized posts, to prevent this from happening again. But, Thanks to paid software, the project hasn't seen much progress). Oct 18, 2016 at 8:51
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    @Bhargav Rao: maybe we should extend the feature request to that positive reputation gained through plagiarism should not get removed, but redirected to the original post, if it is on Stack Exchange… (minus the votes made by someone who voted both answers).
    – Holger
    Oct 18, 2016 at 9:26

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To start off, this doesn't actually happen all that often which makes it hard to justify implementing automated systems to fight this. In most cases, plagiarism never attracts a huge mass of votes, or the user is also involved in some sort of voting fraud that causes the post scores to drop back below thresholds (or at least to the point where I can downvote it and not worry about reputation anymore).

When this does happen in those rare instances, it's still easy to fix by just disassociating the post. Since the user doesn't exactly "own" the post in any way - it's just a copy paste of someone else's text - it's fairly easy to justify removing the post from their account. Upon doing so, their reputation is instantly recalculated to exclude the post. (Don't worry, we log that the post used to belong to them in several places.)

I've personally only had to do this three times in the two years I've worked here, but I'd encourage any moderators who see a highly voted post deleted as plagiarism (after the 60 days of course) to reach out to us to have it removed from their account as part of the process. Because you're right, letting them keep large masses of reputation for what is essentially a form of cheating isn't a very strong deterrent in preventing them from doing it again in the future, and it literally takes us like 5 seconds to fix.

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    The bad news is that this doesn't show up as a demerit in the offending user's reputation history. The good news is that this doesn't show up as a demerit in the offending user's reputation history. In case anyone is wondering...
    – BoltClock
    Mar 15, 2017 at 14:45

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