There is much discussion about civility on Stack Overflow. One particularly important sub-set of the issue is what is called "accidental rudeness" - seasoned Stack Overflow users pointing out newbie mistakes in a curt way bordering on rude. That is often understandable self-defense in light of ~15,000 new questions a day, but it still is a problem.
Shog and others argue, and I fully agree, that the problem with this "accidental rudeness" is that
- it's terrible as a first experience with a new site
- It creates broken windows for those hundreds of on-lookers who pass by and see it.
I have experienced this first-hand in the last forum I frequented, and was a moderator in for many years. It's essentially degraded into a place where veterans shout "RTFM" at newbies. It's still a helpful place staffed with great people, and of course it's the newbies' fault as well, with their sucky "I'm unable to Google the simplest query" and "send teh codez" type questions. I'm all for firmly telling off slackers. But the tone in the forum has become unbearable to many, including myself. It's possible to interact with everybody in a professional manner, without being rude. And when onlookers go, "gosh, what a bunch of dicks", that is a bad thing for the community even if the OP deserves the rudeness.
As Robert puts it brilliantly in a chat conversation (link coming soon), eternal September is already upon us and it's pointless to fight it; what we need to do is embrace it and find ways to live with it. The number of dumb/lazy questions, and innocent newbie mistakes, is only going to grow.
This is a social rather than a technical issue - I have yet to see a technical way to enforce civility that is not silly or dumb in some way. The discussion about pro-forma comments showed that even the best-meant mechanism can be used counterproductively (although I still think this feature is needed).
Maybe the community needs a group of people dedicated to keeping an eye on community interactions (especially interactions with new users who meet negative feedback) and leading the way by contributing professional, polite comments to help them out - in essence, doing what many, but not enough, users on SO already do?
A SWAT team of nice.
If you're not nice, we will ████ you up!
No, seriously: they smile because they are there to help you. The red smudge on the forehead of the one to the left is from a strawberry.
I'm not talking about bleeding-heart niceness with Unicode hearts and smileys; nor about dishonest "your call is important to us" customer service BS. Sometimes people need to be told to Read the Fricking manual, or that they should go away. Many questions on Stack Overflow should be turned away because the OP's need to learn the basics of programming first... but even that can be said in a professional manner. The difference is as small as between, say
Stack Overflow is not your research assistant
and
Welcome to Stack Overflow! Our community generally expects askers to have done some prior research on what they are asking about. At the very least, they should work out a specific technical question. You can find more information about this in our FAQ, or on this page: .....
I'm envisioning a group of people that
has specific, "bat-signal"-like tools to see potentially problematic discussions (for example, newbie posts that get downvoted and commented on a lot; posts with concentrations of offensive flags)
concentrates solely on educating new and young members, setting the tone in discussions, and entering conversations when things get out of hand. Most of the time, they will add good, helpful comments with links where a newbie doesn't follow Stack Overflow etiquette.
It's not a perfect comparison, but the current moderator job description is a bit like the police force of Stack Overflow - they get called in emergencies and resolve disputes; they have the authority to use force if necessary. This new group I'm thinking about would be more like social workers or medical services, focusing on interacting and teaching, and leading by professional example rather than censoring others' rudeness. (Of course, they will work closely with moderators.)
This would not be the most fulfilling job on the planet, as many well-meant comments will feel like a wasted effort because the specific user being addressed isn't worth it. But I think in the long term, the totality of this kind of tone-setting would have a very positive effect on the athmosphere on the entire sites.
I can think of different ways of implementing this:
Establish a new class of moderator position that deal exclusively with this. They maybe wouldn't even have to have all "police" moderator powers; it might be enough to treat their flags with preference. What this class would have to look like exactly would need a lot of further thinking.
Hire people to do it - as kind of low-level community liaisons that work exclusively in this role.
Make it part of the job description of the current set of hired community managers - I have no idea whether that would be feasible or not, though. I guess they are busy enough already.
Make this a 10k+ or 20k+ privilege, although I can't see this working any better than it is currently - after all, rep is not necessarily a measure of diplomatic skill.
Would this solve the problem, and be a wise path to take? I'm not sure. It would partly go against Stack Overflow's guiding philosophy of a self-regulated community, and people in this role would have to have some knowledge about the tags they operate in, as well. But the issue of civility is there, and I thought it good enough an idea to suggest and think about.
To make it real clear: this "SWAT team" would not be there to hold hands, or to censor, reprimand, or edit other users' real or perceived incivility. That wouldn't go down well with the community, and rightly so. They would merely lead by example by providing excellent, professional guidance in comments, and maybe also to some extent through editing. Pretty much what many active users on Stack Overflow already do.