I've seen two people chased off on Meta, in the last day or so, and I wonder if I might bring them to people's attention. I am not sure a mod report is the most appropriate approach, since the following modes have, I think, become rather normalised to us regulars. The purpose here is to foster some discussion on how we can smooth our abrasive edges.
I should say I bring this theme knowing that I can be accidentally sharp too, and at various times people have pulled me up on it. May that continue.
Incident 1
A user approached Meta to ask about how to make their question more on-topic. Another user gave a substantial answer, and included this:
There is an entire conversation on turd polishing that applies to this question just as much.
So, Meta to new user: your question is excrement.
OK, perhaps we've just forgotten that we'd not say this stuff if we were in the same room as them. So I thought I'd bring it to the poster's attention, especially given that many of our experienced users have a fine history of handling criticism well. Unfortunately that did not go well.
Unfortunately there are a number of posts in Meta that are scatologically inclined, and we've forgotten that sometimes our language lands like a hammer to the head. Let's remember this please.
Incident 2
In a discussion about the differences of English dialects around the world, and how to advise speakers whose first language is not English, this comment came up:
In the post you mentioned, were you complaining about the use of "lakhs" and "crores"? A lot of Americans I know, who bother to expose themselves to various international environments, know these terms perfectly well. If you don't know them, educate yourself; it should take about a 5-second Google search. As the Indian economy grows at 8%/year, and Indian IT companies expand their world-wide market share, you may soon be hearing such terms more often than you would like.
I think that this contains the implications that the person it is aimed at "can't be bothered" to do something - i.e. they are lazy, and that they are ill-educated.
In both cases the users deleted their content and left.
Since we like Meta posts to have explicit questions, here they are:
How can we be nice here too? Do Meta users need to be better at hearing criticism when we have accidentally crossed the line? Is it OK for established users to offer feedback on tone to users who are inclined towards speaking sharply?
Addendum
Now that the discussion has taken shape, a few additional thoughts:
- "Be nice" is not intended to be about censorship - my intention here is to encourage culture change
- I'd like to encourage an atmosphere of being more willing to accept civil criticism, especially amongst established users, if the community is generally amenable to this
- A few contributors seem to be fairly resolute in their attachment to a Torvalds-like ability to speak plainly, and it is mainly to this group that this theme is addressed - can we agree that one person's "plain" is another person's "brusque"?
- I am not looking for a substantial change - as one answer has it, "your question is a turd" can be replaced with "your question does not meet guidelines X and Y"
- The incidents that prompted this question were from high-rep to low-rep users, and it is this power differential that I am concerned about. From a high-rep (and in-group position), new users will perceive brusqueness (and obvious rudeness) as bullying. The upshot of this, I think, is that established users sometimes need to take a bit more care - they are perceived as speaking from an elevated position.
My core theme is, of course, that users who have a complaint and are coming to Meta to air it are generally doing the right thing, even if the answer is that their question needs a complete rewrite. We need to encourage more of them to do so, and if that gets us a reputation as a slightly more approachable lot, that's great!
Thanks to all contributors so far.
The purpose here is not to focus excessively on the two Meta users here
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