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I seen certain questions on Stack Overflow being set for review and then closed, or even deleted without most reviewers or any at all giving justification to the asker for their vote. A newbie can be shocked by this practice, which gives no way out.

What incentives do people have on Stack Overflow to close, delete, or reopen edited questions?

Why are down, review, close and delete votes without providing at least one verifiable by asker justification or link to substantiate such action, even anonymous, allowed on Stack Overflow?

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    actually downvoting reduces your reputation Commented Jul 19, 2016 at 21:31
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    There is no reputation to be gained from voting of any kind on other user's content.
    – Travis J
    Commented Jul 19, 2016 at 21:31
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    Delete votes are only accessible at 10k, or even 20k for trying to delete answers.
    – ryanyuyu
    Commented Jul 19, 2016 at 21:32
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    -1 for lack of general research. A lot of the claims you make in your question are not true.
    – ryanyuyu
    Commented Jul 19, 2016 at 21:33
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    I said it on your last question, I'll say it again. You should really learn more about how the site works before assigning malicious intent to others. Commented Jul 19, 2016 at 21:35
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    It seems like this question and your last one are based on misunderstandings of how the site works, with this one full of incorrect statements about the way things work here. I sincerely suggest you go check out the help center and read through some things there. I also suggest checking out the FAQs here on Meta.
    – Kendra
    Commented Jul 19, 2016 at 21:42
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    One thing we encourage all users to provide when discussing things on Meta is objective proof to back up opinions about how the site works. Objective proof can be anecdotal, but we prefer actual data from, for example, Data.se, which can query all of the data in Stack Overflow. If you can find a pattern of deletion "without verifiable justification or link", that would signal a problem. Commented Jul 19, 2016 at 21:43
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    Then you will likely continue to get negative feedback... You are asking for more justification than the documented manner in which the site was created, and yet provide no more justification for changing that than "people are sensitive". Commented Jul 19, 2016 at 22:08
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    There is no site without answers and the people who give them. If you want a bunch of people asking and answering questions without any rules, go to Yahoo! Answers. The reason people flock to this site is that there are experts willing to volunteer their time to answer questions. If you can't respect their time, there's really not much more to discuss. Commented Jul 19, 2016 at 22:15
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    One main problem is that you are asking a question here (and the other question you asked) which has been addressed countless times. The topics "let new users comment" and "comment with a downvote" are all over the place here. Just one minute of searching would have found more discussion on the topic than an hours worth of reading. And yet, we are left with this. Now you are switching into which is of more value, questioners versus answerers? This reads almost as trolling at this point.
    – Travis J
    Commented Jul 19, 2016 at 22:23
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    Answerers are much more rare, and much more valuable, than askers, though (within the context of a Q&A site). There is a near-unlimited supply of questions, but a very limited supply of good answers. That's just the way it is.
    – Pekka
    Commented Jul 19, 2016 at 22:24
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    As has been said many times, you cannot delete a question without closing it first, and every question closed has a justification. Most questions are closed by votes by more than one person, each of which is a verification of the justification. Commented Jul 19, 2016 at 22:30
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    As I said on your question the other day, "set for review" is not a thing. People browse, they look at questions, and they vote on what they see. There's no star chamber where a cabal of high-rep users are crushing dissent to their iron-fisted rule of the site.
    – jscs
    Commented Jul 19, 2016 at 22:45
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    Every down vote comes with all the explanation that should be expected and is deserved, it is right there on the down vote arrow. It plainly states; This question does not show any research effort; it is unclear or not useful. That is all you should expect to get, people need to quit complaining about down votes and spend the energy and time reading on how to ask better questions.
    – user177800
    Commented Jul 19, 2016 at 23:22

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Only moderators can delete questions that aren't closed, and they will only do so under extreme circumstances (typically spam or other highly inappropriate content).

For regular users voting to close a question, or any automated cleanup of questions, the question needs to have been closed, and for a question to be closed, a reason must be provided as to why it should be closed.

Given the fact each vote gives extra reps, some feel casting 50 neg votes a day

The vote limit is 40 per day, not 50.

[...] in 3 min without reading the questions or providing verifiable reason for Delete vote is the convenient way to gain rep fast.

You have no basis for asserting that people aren't reading the questions when they downvote them.

Additionally they aren't earning rep by downvoting bad questions, they're just making the world a better place by providing a better signal to others on the quality of the post. It's an altruistic act.

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  • "The vote limit is 40 per day" and even that limit is only reached by voting on 10 questions first, if you don't vote on questions then the limit is 30.
    – Braiam
    Commented Jul 19, 2016 at 21:39
  • I appreciate your answer. However, some "reasons" are given in my limited understanding by the system instead of being given by people who voted. For example, any question can be labelled as "unclear" that basically presumes no formal justification is required. I seen this particular reason abused. Generally, if a question or answer is not "offensive" or absolutely stupid, the person deserves verifiable explanation from everyone who voted to close it.
    – sambul35
    Commented Jul 19, 2016 at 21:39
  • @sambul35 what other justification you want? If it's unclear then the user is encouraged to edit the question to make it clear.
    – Braiam
    Commented Jul 19, 2016 at 21:40
  • That's the loophole that allows malicious intent, and it should be compensated by requiring reasonable explanation from everyone who voted to close. If I don't like your question or answer for whatever reason, its far insufficient ground to remove it by simply claiming "its unclear".
    – sambul35
    Commented Jul 19, 2016 at 21:43
  • @Braiam The premise of this question here is that people are voting on all questions; he's complaining about bad questions being downvoted.
    – Servy
    Commented Jul 19, 2016 at 21:44
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    @sambul35 You are getting a verifiable explanation from the people that voted to close. Your claim that you don't like their explanation doesn't change the fact that they've given one.
    – Servy
    Commented Jul 19, 2016 at 21:45
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    @sambul35 That's why it takes 5 votes to close a question, and it can be reopened easily enough if others disagree with the close reason. One person trying to close a question as unclear that most readers feel is perfectly clear does nothing.
    – Servy
    Commented Jul 19, 2016 at 21:47
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    "bad questions being downvoted." Correct me if I'm wrong but... that's not what it is supposed to happen?
    – Braiam
    Commented Jul 19, 2016 at 21:49
  • @Servy If rep isn't gained by closing questions as per cited rules, why there's a limit of 40 per day for such activity? :)
    – sambul35
    Commented Jul 19, 2016 at 21:58
  • @Servy "It's an altruistic act." Really, even when supplement by total disregard to the asker? Imaging, may be a question asked is of interest to many. Now what? Who will appreciate such altruism? No question - no answer. No explanation - no chance to improve. Yet another example: what if the voter has no idea how to answer the question or what's it about? Still can close without explanation that would reveal total luck of competence?
    – sambul35
    Commented Jul 19, 2016 at 22:25
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    You must be actively disregarding the help topics and information you have been given. @Servy said that it takes 5 votes to close a question. So it would take 5 voters who "ha[ve] no idea how to answer the question" to close it. Additionally, there is an explanation (as has been noted time and again). So "No explanation" -- demonstrably untrue. After the question has been closed, it goes into an "on hold" state, wherein the user not only can, but is encouraged to, improve it. So "no chance to improve" -- demonstrably untrue. You're not doing yourself any favors by repeating incorrect info. Commented Jul 19, 2016 at 22:37
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    @Samul35 - you can edit your questions regardless if they are closed or not to improve them and try and get them reopened. if you don't want to take the time to do that, then that is your bad, not ours, maybe if you took more time with them in the first place, read the help on how to ask a good question and spent some more effort in the beginning you would not be complaining about down votes and close votes at all.
    – user177800
    Commented Jul 19, 2016 at 23:30
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    @sambul35 "I had some of my code related questions and answers closed" - where some appears to be 1. After your edit the question was reviewed and people voted to leave it closed. That means that your "clarification" did not make the question any clearer. Commented Jul 19, 2016 at 23:43
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    @sambul35 The inappropriate attitude you're showing in these comments is largely why it's closed. You've pretty clearly demonstrated that you're not actually here to accept input, as the close reason states. You need to be the person to fix that; I can't.
    – Servy
    Commented Jul 21, 2016 at 20:06
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    Like I said, if you think a given question is closed for an improper reason, you're free to bring it up and discuss it, but a reason is always given. Of course, you've now answered your own question of the problem with requiring a reason when voting to close a question, you may just get reasons that you don't like or that don't satisfy you; just requiring that a reason be given doesn't mean you're always going to like it.
    – Servy
    Commented Jul 25, 2016 at 13:46
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There is no context in which voting will increase your reputation. In fact, voting like that wouldn't even cause you to lose rep.

As it says in the Help Center, these are the only ways to lose rep:

  • your question is voted down: −2
  • your answer is voted down: −2
  • you vote down an answer: −1
  • you place a bounty on a question: − full bounty amount
  • one of your posts receives 6 spam or offensive flags: −100

I think the link in the help center sums it up: What's reputation? How do I gain (and lose it?)

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    You do not lose any rep downvoting/close voting/delete voting questions.
    – Servy
    Commented Jul 19, 2016 at 21:36
  • I have updated the answer.
    – Athena
    Commented Jul 19, 2016 at 21:41

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