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It's gotten to where 80% of the new questions that come up for have nothing on God's green earth to do with classic ASP. It's obvious that the OP simply typed "asp" (instead of "asp.net") in the tag field, and the system ever-so-helpfully replaced it with for them.

(For the uninitiated: ASP.Net and classic ASP have about as much in common as JavaScript and Java. Which is to say, their names are somewhat similar, and they serve some of the same purposes, and there all similarity ends.)

Previous requests to clarify the situation have been largely ignored. I know this is not a high-traffic tag group, but as someone who knows a thing or two about classic ASP and jack squiddly about anything .Net, I'm reduced to editing out the spurious tag from about three posts before my blood pressure goes up and I give up on StackOverflow for the day.

Pretty please, with a cherry on top: could we remove the synonym link between [asp] and [asp-classic], since clearly those terms are no longer synonymous?

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  • Never really thought of JavaScript and Java serving similar purposes, but otherwise a good analogy. Isn't classic ASP obsolete? Jun 29, 2016 at 17:25
  • Just checking the first page of asp-classic, it looks like there were three ASP.NET questions.
    – Pluto
    Jun 29, 2016 at 17:43
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    The "classic" part of the name sort of suggests "obsolescence" for whatever that designation is really worth. It doesn't mean nobody has questions about it anymore. Go tell the COBOL programmers their code is obsolete. Wouldn't they love if it were. Jun 29, 2016 at 18:46
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    @AlexanderO'Mara - It's about as obsolete as the screw in fuses in my home's fuse box. Would a breaker box be better? Absolutely. Will I have it replaced some day? Hopefully soon. Do I still need new fuses if one burns out? Yes, yes I do.
    – JDB
    Jun 29, 2016 at 19:05
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    @Pluto: that's because I've already done a round of editing today.
    – Martha
    Jun 29, 2016 at 19:34
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    @AlexanderO'Mara: some of the same purposes, but yeah, the analogy does break a little if you look at it too closely. (That said, we used to have a Java applet to generate charts for us, which we replaced with a JavaScript-based utility when Java in the browser started getting increasingly untenable. So they do, indeed, sometimes serve the same purposes.)
    – Martha
    Jun 29, 2016 at 19:40
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  • @Lankymart: good lord. Do you really want to shoot yourself in the foot like that? Are you happy with the status quo? Do you like meeting asp.net questions in the asp-classic queue? Sheesh.
    – Martha
    Jun 29, 2016 at 21:48
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    @Lankymart this question gathered almost the same amount of views and certainly more votes than the oldest one in less than 6 hours. Do you really believe that shutting this discussion down (closing a question in meta makes it non-elegible for the community bulletin) which has the highest chances of being actioned is the correct path of action?
    – Braiam
    Jun 29, 2016 at 21:55
  • @Martha regardless of the supposed benefits it is still a duplicate question. I'm also not sure nuking the synonym is the right option in fact it will probably kill of the ASP community altogether.
    – user692942
    Jun 30, 2016 at 6:05
  • @Braiam wow, so the fact it's clearly a duplicate doesn't matter? Besides marking it as a dup doesn't kill the conversation it just points people to the original discussion.
    – user692942
    Jun 30, 2016 at 6:14
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    @Lankymart what? Are you sure you know how meta works? No attention = no discussion
    – Braiam
    Jun 30, 2016 at 10:59
  • @Lankymart: meta isn't the main site. As I've mentioned, there's no bounties here, so the ONLY way to bring new attention to an issue is to post a new question, hopefully with an engaging-enough title for people to actually read it. If it can get on the community bulletin, you don't mess with that, you run with it. (Plus there's the little tiny fact that this is not a duplicate of the old question. Answers don't make duplicates, questions do, and the old question doesn't mention synonyms.)
    – Martha
    Jun 30, 2016 at 14:17
  • @Martha What you talking about the whole question is about synonyms and the relationship between asp and asp-classic. I still think just removing that relationship isn't the best approach. Still think renaming asp-classic to classic-asp would stop a lot of the false positives.
    – user692942
    Jun 30, 2016 at 14:53

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I've removed the synonym - let's see how it goes.

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  • Thank you thank you thank you!
    – Martha
    Jun 30, 2016 at 14:13
  • Question: what happens now if people type "asp" in the tag field? Is it blacklisted at all, or did we just exchange "wrongly-tagged-with-asp-classic" for "uselessly-tagged-with-asp"?
    – Martha
    Jun 30, 2016 at 14:32
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    @Martha it's been nuked, try editing a question and add asp it warns you the tag doesn't exist and asks if you want to create it. What will happen now is some "tool" will come along create it again and we will have asp and asp-classic questions then someone will suggest a synonym and will be back at square one.
    – user692942
    Jun 30, 2016 at 14:55
  • @Martha don't you just hate when I'm right... asp has 5 questions as it stands, surprise surprise!!
    – user692942
    Jul 12, 2016 at 16:08
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It's obvious that the OP simply typed "asp" (instead of "asp.net") in the tag field, and the system ever-so-helpfully replaced it with asp-classic for them.

You are not wrong, 5772 renames since it was done, and given that [asp-classic] has just shy 10k questions this is more than clear that the synonym is causing disruption. I would prefer the blacklisted and the synonym removed.

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    I agree that blacklisting is a better option. 99% of users are going to type in [asp] and go. We are on the losing side of a statistics game by aliasing it to [asp-classic], but it's not obviously correct for it to map to [asp.net] either. Better to force an explicit choice. It violates Don't Make Me Think, but we're programmers, so thinking is our job. Jun 29, 2016 at 19:05
  • I've spoke about this in depth before with no where near this much attention. A lot of the issue is in certain ones thinking ASP .net is a thing (number of questions I've edited to replace use of ASP .Net to ASP.Net before then changing the tags to correct them is insane).
    – user692942
    Jun 29, 2016 at 20:17
  • @Lankymart next time, ask with a fun title. Fun titles get all the attention! Of course that doesn't count cats, unicorns and turtles.
    – Braiam
    Jun 29, 2016 at 20:21
  • What's fun about this title?
    – user692942
    Jun 29, 2016 at 20:22
  • @Lankymart that it includes "pretty please"?
    – Braiam
    Jun 29, 2016 at 20:23
  • It doesn't, the question might not the title.
    – user692942
    Jun 29, 2016 at 20:26
  • @Lankymart: the title used to include "pretty please" as well, until some spoilsport edited it out. (An even worse spoilsport tried to edit out all of my personal voice from the question as well, but thankfully someone corrected that before I saw it and blew my top.)
    – Martha
    Jun 29, 2016 at 21:50
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    @Martha: I am both spoilsports. I suspect given your worsening temper, you are discovering that turning up to Meta in an already bad mood is not a great approach. We all want the best for Stack Overflow here - but let's do it congenially if we can. Less of the effing and mindless fools and hope you are proud of yourself too please - this is a professional environment.
    – halfer
    Jun 30, 2016 at 11:23
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    @halfer: How does writing "pretty please" equate to "in an already bad mood"? I have a writing style, what's known as a "voice". I refuse to believe that I have to abandon that voice and in favor of something sterile, clinical, and boring, all in the name of "professionalism". (Though I do admit, "mindless fools" was written in anger. Sorry.)
    – Martha
    Jun 30, 2016 at 14:26
  • Thanks @Martha. I should have been more expansive about my edit. I don't mind people having a writing style at all on Meta, I think it's fine. My interpretation of your writing was that you seemed already exasperated, having drawn attention to this theme having been "ignored" before, as if that action was deliberate, and that someone was to blame for that. Given that you were reporting genuine frustrations about editing, "pretty please with a cherry on top" seemed somewhat saccharine and sardonic, and I felt that it would be better received without that.
    – halfer
    Jun 30, 2016 at 15:37
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    I often make edits on the main site regarding tone, so as to maximise the chances of results - sometimes an accidental sharpness can turn people off, where they might otherwise have helped. It's worth remembering too that on Meta, good ideas are not always implemented - I often have feature requests that end up in the long grass, but ces't la vie.
    – halfer
    Jun 30, 2016 at 15:39

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