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A few minutes back, I came across a question which is written in a non-English language. (Spanish, I guess?)

I left comments informing the OP about the requirement of using English as the question language, and also posted a link to the "how to ask" page.

But, while reviewing the page myself, I noticed there's a lack of emphasis (irony) on using English as the question language. The only mention I found there is

[....] If you're not comfortable writing in English, ask a friend to proof-read it for you.

For new participants, this may not convey a clear message. Some may think in this way,

Oh, I'm not good in English, and I don't have someone readily available now to proof-read either, so let me post the question in XYZ language.

Can we add a line or two, to put emphasis on the fact that the question MUST be in English, in the first place?

P.S - To give background for why I ask this, it is to be able to point OPs (who have either missed or misunderstood) to the how to ask page and be done with it.

P.P.S - This is not a duplicate, but an addendum to Let's improve the How to Ask page(s), if that is a concern.

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    Besides I'm supporting this the "Excuse my bad english", "I'm not good at english", etc. rarely have to do with the real quality of the question, regarding a missing MCVE or other popular misses. Jun 27, 2016 at 18:52
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    It certainly won't hurt anything to emphasize that this is an English-only site, but I'm skeptical that it will help much either. Someone who comes to a site with millions of pages of English text and posts in Spanish anyway is highly unlikely to ever read the How to Ask page. Jun 27, 2016 at 19:10
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    Like Bill says, I wonder how many post are not in English. I haven't seen many in the 5.5 years I'm here. And I've seen people translate them (occasionally).
    – Jan Doggen
    Jun 27, 2016 at 19:12
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    @BilltheLizard It can absolutely hurt. It's hard enough to get people to read the how to ask page as it is. The more you put in there, the less of it will get read. Putting information in there that anyone actually reading it wouldn't care about is wasting their time, decreasing the odds of them continuing on to things that would actually help them.
    – Servy
    Jun 27, 2016 at 19:17
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    @JanDoggen It's not a quesiton of how many non-English posts there are, but also how many of the users posting them would have done anything any different if there was English text in the help center to the them not to post in English. My guess is that number is, if not actually zero, effectively zero.
    – Servy
    Jun 27, 2016 at 19:19
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    @SouravGhosh If you can't be bothered to provide a specific informative comment targeted to that question (which I wouldn't blame you for; you're almost certainly wasting your time commenting at all in such a situation) then you're better off not commenting at all, rather than providing a comment so generic as to be useless.
    – Servy
    Jun 27, 2016 at 19:20
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    @BilltheLizard Same argument. Emphasizing one thing, or expanding on it. means that other things aren't emphasized. Emphasizing something that is providing zero value to anyone reading it means drawing attention away from information that's actually important and that readers would have a shot at actually benefiting from reading.
    – Servy
    Jun 27, 2016 at 19:22
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    @Servy Sorry I did not get you. What is "so generic" about pointing to "how to ask", sir? Instead of duplicating the information already pointed in How to Ask, what's the problem in linking the page in a comment? If the OP chooses to ignore it, well, we all know the result. :) Jun 27, 2016 at 19:23
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    Depending on the exact title, users should already get a suggestion to post on a localized Stack Overflow site if it exists.
    – hichris123
    Jun 27, 2016 at 19:25
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    @SouravGhosh What isn't generic about it? You're saying, "you have a problem, read this page that tries to tell you everything you possibly need to know about how to ask a question to try to figure out what I think you didn't get right about it?" If you feel that there's a specific problem with the question, namely that it's posted in another language, then say that. If you can't be bothered to say anything other than, "you did something wrong" than just downvote/close vote and don't comment, as your comment is adding no value.
    – Servy
    Jun 27, 2016 at 19:27
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    "Emphasize" and "American English"; FTFY :D
    – Nick T
    Jun 27, 2016 at 20:50
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    @hichris123 I didn't realize that answer (to my question, BTW) was updated. Why not go further though? In the help center, emphasize that this is an English-only site, and mention the alternative (es|pt|ja|ru)-only sites that you could use if you don't like English.
    – Laurel
    Jun 27, 2016 at 21:51
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    Why didn't you suggest the poster go to es.stackoverflow.com ?
    – Kevin
    Jun 28, 2016 at 2:00
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    @Servy hmmm, regarding being specific or generic, consider the scenario...me travelling in a crowded bus/train, someone steps onto my toe, and I say "hey buddy, watch your steps", not "Hey, your right foot is resting on top of of the my newly polished leather boot of size 9 which i'm wearing on my left foot thereby causing a pain in my feet which is being carried to my brain through my nervous system and creating a reaction which I can understand, comprehend and react to and thus i'm requesting you to re-place your foot."...I can, but I won't. [cont.....] Jun 28, 2016 at 19:14
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    @Servy Fine, I fully agree with the one liner you suggested, but along with that pointing to How to Ask can also be helpful (even if not for that particular post, for future ones) and the presence of the requirement of the language in the How to Ask page adds weight to my (or anybody else's) comment, as the ask page is authoritative, while individual comments may not. Jun 28, 2016 at 19:30

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TLDR: No, there's no emphasis needed.

This is the first time I've heard about that problem during the 2.5 years that I've been active on Stack Overflow.

If the OP is not familiar with the site, it's also unlikely that he has read or will read the How to Ask page. If he's not familiar with English, it's even possible that he does not understand.

If something like this happens, we already have the means to deal with it:

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Emphasizing it shouldn't hurt anything.

I disagree: emphasis draws attention and it's more likely that someone who would use English anyway misses a more important point. As a consequence, we emphasize something else and so on.

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    Thanks for sharing your views. However, regarding the vote as off-topic with exactly the reason used in this case:.... I'm asking to change the text/wordings to make it clear that the language used should be English only so that the part ...within the scope defined in the help center... is accurate. Jun 28, 2016 at 19:05
  • Right, but a custom message just too much effort for a question which is probably going to be deleted in a minute or two. Plus, a custom comment is not authoritative, as i already mentioned in the comments below the question, kindly check that section, too. Jun 28, 2016 at 19:44
  • Not to mention, I did almost the same for the (currently deleted) question under discussion. :) Jun 28, 2016 at 19:45
  • Well, then I rolled back to the original text. Jun 28, 2016 at 19:50
  • right, and that was the source of my very first comment. :) Jun 28, 2016 at 19:54
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    A problem I've seen often is that some new users tend to think that established rules don't exist, and any and all comments are to be seen as other users' personal opinions/preferences. So while commenting and directing is fine and all that, I think an unambiguous statement from an authoritative source (i.e. the help center) would greatly aid in convincing new users that English isn't just some people's preference, but an actual requirement here.
    – Siguza
    Jun 29, 2016 at 8:36
  • @ThomasWeller This is precisely what my answer here intended to help with. I was thinking that it would be best if the comments were in their native tongue.
    – Laurel
    Jun 30, 2016 at 1:21
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This is a good point. As it currently stands, it's hard to point a user to this page and say "see, you shouldn't have picked english".

The emphasis doesn't have to be in a distracting way as @thomas_weller points out that this might shift the focus off of other important things. But we can word it a bit better saying explicitly that english is mandatory. If we add that it will not distract much, but make it more clearer.

Don't forget, trying to parse a less-clear sentence (which this is) also costs effort, so making it clearer will distract LESS from the other important stuff!

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Rather than asking users to read docs that emphasize that English (or any given language) is required, wouldn't it be simpler for everyone to just run a programmatic scan on the question for English vocabulary, and reject it by default if there's none? If discretely done, most users might never know such a feature existed.

Such a scan needn't be too intelligent, let alone perfect or complete, just good enough to reject most or even just some non-English, with no false hits. Checking grammar would not be necessary, (or desirable) -- a simple scan that could be spoofed by a random list of Basic English word roots would probably be good enough.

(On a similar note, blocks of Code-sample might be scanned for obvious coding languages, and automatically add a tag for that language.)

For more experienced users, such features could be disabled, either by default or from some config page.

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  • Hint: most programming languages would pass scan for English vocabulary. May 21, 2017 at 2:11
  • @OlegV.Volkov, It would depend on what's doing the scanning, which was deliberately left vague -- the notional requirement being that the method used would, should, and must be adequate.
    – agc
    May 22, 2017 at 12:30

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