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A new user just posted news of a TicketMaster feature release as a question. This clearly isn't a question and isn't a good fit for SO. As such, I tried to point out that SO isn't a traditional discussion forum and only Q&A pairs were on-topic. The user's answer was intriguing:

If you go to developer.ticketmaster.com and 'hover; over Support at the top of the page... it points to here... There is no other "Support". And I think this, while not a question, is under the guidelines of this "specific" forum.

I promptly paid TicketMaster's support page a visit and the user is correct. Under the heading "Forums" there are 5 links: General Discussion, API Forums, SDK Forums, Widget Forums, and Affiliate Topics. All 5 point to specific tags here on SO (as a matter of fact, all point to the same tag, ).

Now I know we're technically allowing companies to put questions here (or are we?) but this seems a little ridiculous. SO isn't a forum. It isn't for "general discussion". It likely, without knowing anything about TicketMaster's API, isn't for "affiliate topics". And clearly users are being confused or this one wouldn't be posting a non-question here.

Would it be possible for someone higher in the SO chain of command to either tell TicketMaster that this is not okay, or clarify that I'm misunderstanding?

Please try to keep the Meta effect to a minimum on the question I linked. The point of this Meta question isn't to complain about this user or his off-topic question. He was obviously just following TicketMaster's instructions and I'd rather not see the downvote flood that so often follows a Meta post.

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    I'm curious how they managed to interpret any of the rules and how-to pages on Stack Overflow to state that not-questions are okay... =D
    – J. Steen
    Jun 4, 2016 at 21:17
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    SE doesn't mind cornering the market for volunteer-provided support. Companies like Ticketmaster (egad) don't mind that either. Everybody loves free beer, if you don't like to brew it then there are always some odds that somebody else does. If it feels like big companies backed by multi-millionaire investors are taking advantage of you that, yes, they do. Because they can. And it is the only real way to ever become a millionaire, they've had practice. Jun 4, 2016 at 22:50
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    Can we interest you in the documentation expansion project instead? These companies also don't like to spend the money on decent docs for their customers. 2698 free beer votes for that one, you can help! Jun 4, 2016 at 22:56
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    I've had a quick look at the other questions in the tag. Everyone that seems to claim to be working for Ticketmaster apart from one person has a total reputation score below 1K. Even 1K isn't quite enough to do much of anything in terms of moderation, so the concern is very valid.
    – Makoto
    Jun 4, 2016 at 23:15
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    I'll reach out to them on Monday. <sigh>
    – Tim Post
    Jun 5, 2016 at 2:52
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    Ticketmaster is doing something unscrupulous? Stop the presses!
    – j08691
    Jun 5, 2016 at 3:52
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    It's nowhere near as bad, but I recently noticed that Okta is doing something similar (developer.okta.com/discussion). I'd guess many others are too, but the traffic is so low-level that nobody notices / cares. Maybe there should be some more prominent how-to-use-SO-as-your-support-site pages? I think a meta answer (meta.stackoverflow.com/a/253852/1180785) is the current source-of-truth, but the help centre (stackoverflow.com/help) has nothing obvious, despite being where integrators are likely to look.
    – Dave
    Jun 5, 2016 at 11:28
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    @KirkWoll The problem with that word is that traditionally a forum is for discussion; Stack Exchange websites however are not for discussion and that's why describing Stack Exchange websites as 'forums' is incorrect.
    – AStopher
    Jun 5, 2016 at 15:58
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    There are a few questions in the Okta tags that clearly indicate that the users think they are talking directly to their support. Not really SO-like.
    – simbabque
    Jun 5, 2016 at 16:06
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    No matter what question you have or help you need, we’re here for you. Brilliant
    – Tas
    Jun 6, 2016 at 1:02
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    Could a banner dynamically added atop pages for currently-abused tags help cut down on the low/no-quality "questions"? It could also shame the offending company into changing their practices. "Hey, we just forwarded everyone to a page that says we're inept!" Companies might be more sensitive to that than to the odd complaint from an unsuspecting user who finds out that the company shunted them to an effective support dead-end. Jun 6, 2016 at 17:33
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    I think step 1 would be to charge Ticketmaster a $12.95 Convenience Fee per on-topic question that gets posted here. For off-topic, we can up that to $29.95.
    – krillgar
    Jun 6, 2016 at 17:45
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    You may have a point but look I've bought these 2 tickets to Hootie and the Blowfish and I just want to know if you StackOverflow guys can refund the money to my PayPal account because I can't make it...
    – Hack-R
    Jun 7, 2016 at 2:04
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    As a consumer, I get annoyed when I see several links with different titles/descriptions that all point to the same URL, because that means it's just a generic landing page and I'll have to do some extra hunting to get to the specific page I briefly thought I had found. Jun 7, 2016 at 11:11
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    Looks like the offending links have been removed now. Now they just have no support at all. Jun 7, 2016 at 13:43

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I don't think this is anything we haven't seen or handled before. Close questions that are off-topic and direct the asker to the regular meta post addressing this company cost-cutting measure.

If you happen to see an employee of the company on Stack Overflow responding to Ticketmaster questions, and he/she seems to be unfamiliar with how Stack Overflow works, you may want to comment and direct them to the official help page for product owners: Can I support my product on this site?

The glorious Tim Post has stated that he'd reach out to them tomorrow (thanks Tim!), but I'd say this is just business as usual -- close/downvote as needed.

For what it's worth:

  1. You really weren't kidding -- they're even offloading their "general discussion" to Stack Overflow tagged questions:

    Ticketmaster linking to SO as support "forums"

  2. I don't think you're misunderstanding.

As they're sending a very wide array of questions our way (general discussion to affiliate 'topics'), (and as they didn't bother even adding a description to the tag,) the tag has been edited to at least give their users a warning.

The tag edit was done on . If someone with the permissions would be so nice to synonym it to tag , I'd be thankful.

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    Quick curiosity - == $0?
    – Kyll
    Jun 5, 2016 at 16:43
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    @Kyll The Last Selected DOM Element Jun 5, 2016 at 16:46
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    @Kyll flagging as not meta enough. Take your silly programming questions to the main site. Jun 5, 2016 at 16:50
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    Flagging a meta question on meta as not meta? That's pretty meta. As is pointing it out. As was that. Send help
    – user559633
    Jun 5, 2016 at 16:53
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    What annoys me most about this is the we're here for you. Help is not here (the support page) AND it's not the we (the TicketMaster people) who would be offering the help. UGH. This is not a forum hosting site...
    – Laurel
    Jun 5, 2016 at 18:40
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    @Laurel If I was still capable of feeling things, I'd probably agree. The productive thing to do is to communicate clearly to askers that we're interested in on-topic programming problems -- and that all Ticketmaster or support-experience complaints should be directed at Ticketmaster's channels. No need to get emotionally involved or go out of our way to accommodate the unpaid-outsourcing approach.
    – user559633
    Jun 5, 2016 at 18:55
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    I've declared war on ticketmaster-api
    – user692942
    Jun 5, 2016 at 19:00
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    @Lankymart "we're here for you" ;) But no, really, wars are baaad. Jun 5, 2016 at 19:11
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    @Lankymart When you say "declared war" - could you elaborate - I'm slightly concerned about what you might be planning to do... Jun 5, 2016 at 19:19
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    @JonClements just highlighting that Stack Overflow isn't a forum and questions still need to follow the SO guidelines for asking question while pointing them to [ask]. Also pointing out that this isn't TicketMasters Official support, they just don't seem to have one.
    – user692942
    Jun 5, 2016 at 19:21
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    @Lankymart: Let Tim's official message to them handle that on Monday. There's no reason for you to intervene.
    – Makoto
    Jun 5, 2016 at 20:08
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    I claim 'They're there for you.' as the trademarked tag line for my support business (should I start one). Not only does it show someone else, somewhere else will deal with your issue (I'll likely point people here) but it also has a rather nice condescending pun built in as in 'There, there for you.' Like mocking someone who has an issue as if they are a small child you are trying to get to stop crying. Thanks Meta! Jun 6, 2016 at 12:43
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    By war, did you mean downvoting their questions? Because I see a lot of negatives on question of that tag. Jun 6, 2016 at 14:20
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    tristan, it might be helpful to link to the official help page: stackoverflow.com/help/product-support
    – JDB
    Jun 6, 2016 at 14:39
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    @Laurel - For what it's worth, it looks like many of the ticketmaster questions are answered by self-identified ticketmaster employees, so at least they didn't just throw users into the back alley through the door labeled "Customer Assistance". There's actual staff members in the back alley.
    – JDB
    Jun 6, 2016 at 20:06

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