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If I make a question and mess up (or perhaps an overly zealous moderators step in) and the question gets put on HOLD, is there any reason not to straight up delete the question and re-ask it?

Reopening the question takes 5 votes and it seems like very unlikely to get reopened anytime soon or at all.

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    Why not? Because you would get question banned very soon.
    – Rizier123
    Jun 1, 2016 at 21:49
  • @Rizier123 even if it happens rarely?
    – JBeurer
    Jun 1, 2016 at 21:51
  • I don't quite get what you mean with rarely?
    – Rizier123
    Jun 1, 2016 at 21:51
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    No. First you have all the time to ask the question first. And you have many links everywhere to help pages. Then if you edit your closed question it goes into the reopen queue, so if you made a good edit it will get reopened.
    – Rizier123
    Jun 1, 2016 at 21:54
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    No, it's not reasonable. In fact, you're likely going to attract downvotes from anyone who saw both questions, and you may hear from a moderator. The correct way to handle a question being closed is to edit the question, vote to reopen, etc. It is not to delete/reask your question. There's an entire review queue for reopening closed questions, so your assumption that reopening is unlikely isn't necessarily correct.
    – Kendra
    Jun 1, 2016 at 21:54
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    @JBeurer It also takes 5 people to close. And just because you re-ask the question doesn't make it better it will get closed again and the user will get question banned over time.
    – Rizier123
    Jun 1, 2016 at 21:55
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    @JBeurer the reward is keeping the quality of the site to the standards that made it the best QA site...
    – Patrice
    Jun 1, 2016 at 21:57
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    @JBeurer what are you trying to hint at? "My question got wrongly put on hold"? (I guess). Without a question to check, no one will tell you that. Link the question, maybe? (OH just clicked, you meant that rep is all that made Stack what it is... riiiiight, because experts known around the world like Jon Skeet come here for the pretty rep he gets, not because he can FINALLY answer good questions because a site has some frakking standard instead of accepting code dumps...)
    – Patrice
    Jun 1, 2016 at 21:59
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    @JBeurer There is a queue your question will go into.
    – Rizier123
    Jun 1, 2016 at 22:02
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    @JBeurer but there's no "stumbling".... 1) when you edit, the question gets bumped to the top of the "active question" list. Which is something some people DO monitor... 2) the reopen queue routinely goes to 0 questions, which mean people WILL see your new version. 3) reasonable timeframe? Since when is that a concern on here?
    – Patrice
    Jun 1, 2016 at 22:03
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    "Also it seems highly unlikely that anyone who saw the original question (like tens of people) would down-vote the newly opened one." - Wrong, when I see someone re-ask a question because it got closed, I insta-dupe close it. If it's delete+re-ask, I'll drop a comment to crowd-source others to "destroy" the new question. Because to put it simply, reasking to get around closure is a huge abuse of the system.
    – Mysticial
    Jun 1, 2016 at 22:04
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    @JBeurer but hold is the "time to fix" before we delete it. It's EXACTLY how you want it to work. Hold is just a "mmmm... please fix this, your question does look okay, it's not unsalvageable. Edit it to the quality standards of the site and someone will reopen"
    – Patrice
    Jun 1, 2016 at 22:04
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    @JBeurer As has been said a few times now, when you edit your question, it is added to a review queue. Eg, people don't just stumble upon it, its shoved in their faces in a way(should they choose to click the review link in the menu bar that they gain access to at a certain rep threshold). As to your virtual rewards argument. There are none for closing questions. We don't get rep for it, nor do we get badges for it.
    – Daedalus
    Jun 1, 2016 at 22:06
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    @JBeurer but again, you focus on the timeframe. Lemme ask you a question : what do you think the goal of stack is? (honestly, this is the KEY difference most new users miss, and it explains a lot of the processes/way the site works)
    – Patrice
    Jun 1, 2016 at 22:14
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    @JBeurer It certainly won't "stop" anyone dedicated enough. But the site has some pretty good spam detection algorithms for slowing down trolls like that.
    – Mysticial
    Jun 1, 2016 at 22:15

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There's two very big reasons why you don't want to do this.

  1. The negatively scored and closed question counts against you for a potential question ban. You want to improve that question as much as you possibly can.

  2. If you ask a similar question, it is eligible to be closed as a duplicate of your earlier question, even if it has no answers.

Both of these reasons motivate one thing: you must improve your existing question. I can appreciate that it takes a while to get things reopened, but it does happen. We have reopen queues which will drop your question in after it's been edited for more people to gain exposure to it, so that it stands a better chance of being reopened.

Do your part in editing your question to address the reason why it was closed as best as you can.

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  • Thank you! I mean, the original question would get deleted first. So duplication thing would not happen I think.
    – JBeurer
    Jun 1, 2016 at 22:08
  • @JBeurer: Even if it's deleted, at a bare minimum it still counts against you in the possible question ban scenario. So I would strongly discourage it.
    – Makoto
    Jun 1, 2016 at 22:09
  • Actually the linked question - Can self-censoring end up with a question ban? - which supposedly is similar - has an answer which says that question bans are not handed out for deleting questions without answers.
    – JBeurer
    Jun 1, 2016 at 22:10
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    @JBeurer: If it's downvoted it still counts. If it's closed it still counts. Deletion by itself doesn't factor in, but if either of those other conditions apply, it would count.
    – Makoto
    Jun 1, 2016 at 22:11
  • it's not downvoted, it's not closed. It's just put on hold.
    – JBeurer
    Jun 1, 2016 at 22:50
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    @JBeurer: You're in an ideal (and rare) position then. You should edit it now while you have the chance to and improve the question.
    – Makoto
    Jun 1, 2016 at 22:51
  • I did edit the question, now I have to wait - what I assume is - a long time - before it gets reopened. This is why I was considering the course of action and was wondering how and why this backwards (imho) system is put in place
    – JBeurer
    Jun 1, 2016 at 22:52
  • @JBeurer: First: don't assume. It may take a while, it may not. Second: be patient. Things take time.
    – Makoto
    Jun 1, 2016 at 22:57
  • @JBeurer "it's not closed. It's just put on hold" The two are the same thing. Closed questions are just labeled "on hold" in an attempt to get people to edit them, as they are supposed to do. Anything that applies to a "closed" question applies to an "on hold question, because an "on hold" question is closed.
    – Servy
    Jun 1, 2016 at 23:45
  • Why is it backwards? You are not supposed to send half assed questions to the site. Your question isn't q draft you correct. It's a final version that's supposedly good enough for every single future visitor. If you don't do that, you have to go through the process. The process does involve waiting. You made a boo boo, you pay for it. For me it's anything but backwards. (and stop assuming it HAS to get reopened today.... You have an assignment/project/deliverable to meet?)
    – Patrice
    Jun 2, 2016 at 0:17
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    @Jbeurer 1) do that enough with bad content, and if the question was on hold when you delete it, it'll have bad consequences eventually.. 2) some could argue posting a question without polishing it enough for it to be on par with the site's quality is actually ruder. I 100% agree comments help in clarifying. I 100% agree Stack may seem arid and harsh at times. I also 100% think that there is no better Q&A site around. That got to be the fact because of the focus on quality.
    – Patrice
    Jun 2, 2016 at 0:39
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    @Jbeurer I'm not emotioal, quite the opposite actually. I'm just tired of people not wanting to listen and just stomping around. Three times I've told you "the end goal of the site is linked to all these rules and reqsons. Mind saying what you think it is?" (in so many words). You've never answered that. That makes it hard to move the convo forward, no? As patient and willing to help as i am, i don't want to lose my time,which is what seems to be happening there.
    – Patrice
    Jun 2, 2016 at 1:28
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    @Jbeurer blatant disregard for the rules of it seems like it(and if you disagree with the rules, you ipen a FR on meta to change them, you don't just disregard them) How often have you basically said "i will just work around it"? Come on. Anyway, you STILL haven't answered any of my questions, which i think i framed correctly in highlighting how the discussion will stem from this. I honestly have better things to do, if you won't even try to move this forward. Enough wasted time here.
    – Patrice
    Jun 2, 2016 at 1:44
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    @JBeurer: "Why are you so hell-bent on trying to prove that I disrespect the community, etc?" Because you suggested that it was OK to delete and re-ask a question that the community told you was unacceptable. Such an act is profoundly disrespectful to the community. Jun 2, 2016 at 4:29
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    @NicolBolas it seems that you don't understa\nd the mindset and social mores of many SO question posters. There is a set who are essentially sociopaths and dont care who else is incovenienced or insulted as long as they get their answer quickly. They must get their answer, and nothing in the rules, or what is said on meta, will stop them. Another set come from environments where cheating, lying and scamming is a normal way of life and, if someone does not want to be abused, it's up to them to avoid it. Both these sets of SO users will cheat, lie and misrepresent to achieve their aim. Jun 2, 2016 at 9:08

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