There is a tag jupyter and a tag jupyter-notebook. Is this on purpose? If so, what's the difference? Shouldn't we burninate one of them?
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7Thanks for posting this burnination request and allowing the community to take a close look at it. Please note that burninations are not just tag removals - They are the process of carefully moderating a specific place of Stack Overflow. Avoid only mass-editing the tag out of questions as it is counter-productive. Flag/vote/edit/retag the posts after consensus is reached. For more info, see Shog9's answer on MSE or the unofficial SOCVR process. – Tunaki May 17 '16 at 7:55
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12+1 for getting the title right – Pekka May 17 '16 at 8:06
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3I'm only familiar with ipython, the predecessor of jupyter. You can have ipython, the interactive shell, and you can have ipython notebooks, the interactive web stuff, resembling Mathematica notebooks. I can imagine that jupyter has the same distinction: interactive shell vs fully fledged published page with interactive components. (Not answering, as I'm only guessing that it's similar for jupyter.) – Andras Deak May 17 '16 at 10:24
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3@AndrasDeak yes that distinction is pretty spot on. The only extra I'd note is that Jupyter has grown beyond Python-land and now supports a large number of different languages using the same system (might not affect the discussion, but just an FYI for context on the differences). – Ffisegydd May 17 '16 at 10:40
I'm only familiar with ipython vs ipython-notebook, but since Jupyter is a spin-off of IPython (extended with a lot of features, as well as languages beyond Python such as Julia and R), the situation is similar (as also verified by the comment of @Ffisegydd).
jupyter, as a whole, stands for the entire project, which contains among other things an interactive shell, and a web-based interactive document format (/application?) called the Jupyter Notebook. jupyter-notebook corresponds specifically to questions related to Jupyter Notebooks.
This means that jupyter is a proper superset of jupyter-notebook. It makes sense to keep jupyter-notebook as an individual tag, as the many components of Jupyter might require further distinction beyond jupyter. But as there are other components of jupyter than notebooks, it also makes sense to keep the broader tag too.
So in my opinion, both tags should be kept.
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3There are definitely features of notebooks that you cannot have in the console, and so having a way to distinguish them may be reasonable. – Ffisegydd May 17 '16 at 11:04
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@Braiam, questions about the qtconsole could e.g. be tagged with jupyter, but not notebook - if that's the question. – cel May 17 '16 at 12:21
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3did I misunderstand you here? I thought the question is: Does it make sense to have
jupyter
andjupyter-notebook
as separate tags. How does searching for a concrete example on stackoverflow help in the discussion? Jupyter is designed the way @Andras Deak described. I don't see how adding an example question can help. I can try to find docs/talk of the developers that confirms exactly what @Andras Deak described here. – cel May 17 '16 at 12:38 -
@cel if you believe the tags should exist at all, there must be questions that should have them, otherwise, how we should know which should not have them? – Braiam May 17 '16 at 12:49
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2@Braiam I believe this or this should only be tagged [jupyter] (these were in the front 25 questions of the tag). And of course essentially all the [jupyter-notebook] questions should be tagged with that. – Andras Deak May 17 '16 at 13:07
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@Braiam An analogy to what you are saying: "I noticed that there is a c++ and also c++-standard-library. We should burninate one of them". The fact that the standard library is a subset of c++ doesn't imply the tag shouldn't exist, and the fact that a lot of question about c++ involve using the standard library in some way doesn't mean we can get rid of the c++ tag. The same is with jupyter. Jupyter is much more than the notebook. A clear example of question you are asking would be something about implementing custom kernels for jupyter (I bet there are already out there) – Bakuriu May 17 '16 at 18:24
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@Bakuriu what? You just lost what I'm saying. I'm asking for examples where the tag is applied correctly. Just because something exists doesn't mean that it should have a tag. Questions about the topic has to exist first on SO, for a tag to be created about it. So your analogy is not only wrong, but totally irrelevant. – Braiam May 17 '16 at 18:26
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@Braiam,
Questions about the topic has to exist first on SO, for a tag to be created about it.
- This is not about creating new tags... – cel May 17 '16 at 19:06 -
@cel why not? Is a perfectly good reasoning. If there are no posts that need the tag, because others fit better, the tag has no purpose. – Braiam May 17 '16 at 22:00