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I just have noticed: if you delete a post with score of 3 (or more) you get the 'Disciplined Badge' losing the post and the reputation earned on it; then undeleting it you get back the post/points plus the 'Disciplined Badge' remains with you.

  1. Is it supposed to be like this?
  2. Would an admin revoke the awarded badge if this "trick" becomes noticed?

There's some users confusing the 'Disciplined Badge' with the 'Peer Pressure Badge'. So, to let it clear:

Disciplined Badge: Delete own post with score of 3 or higher.

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    How do you propose this could be "fixed"?
    – Cerbrus
    Apr 6, 2016 at 7:10
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    @Cerbrus since the earn badge event is attached on the specific post (at least on the notification message); the reactivation of this post could undo the badge;
    – L777
    Apr 6, 2016 at 7:19
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    Another similar thing : You cannot take back your downvote or upvote from some posted answer after sometime until the answerer make an edit to his/her answer. However if you have privillige of editing others post, to revoke your vote, you just need to edit that answer, save it back and revoke your vote...Is n't it fishy..........
    – nobalG
    Apr 6, 2016 at 9:00
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    Quickly @freestock.tk delete this question, and then un delete it, so that you get a free badge xD
    – dingo_d
    Apr 6, 2016 at 12:55
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    @dingo_d you are right I still don't have it on here (meta) and the current post already allows this possibility;
    – L777
    Apr 6, 2016 at 14:38
  • @nobalG very interesint point (agreed); you could open a question with it here on meta;
    – L777
    Apr 6, 2016 at 14:42
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    Opened once, was heavily downvoted :p
    – nobalG
    Apr 6, 2016 at 14:44
  • Other than the tag specific badges, all other badges are meaningless anyway aren't they? Seems a bit pointless to spend any effort on anything like this if it doesn't affect user privileges.
    – rdans
    Apr 7, 2016 at 10:55
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    This is a problem for lots of badges. The critic badge can be earned by doing a downvote, and then reversing it before the vote gets locked. Same for the Supporter badge, just that it is for a upvote. Actually even I owned the disciplined badge like this. I had disable pop-ups, and by mistakenly clicked on delete instead of edit. When reversed, I noticed I had earned the disciplined badge. Apr 7, 2016 at 11:32
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    Seems like the challenge here isn't cheating the badge, it's getting a 3 point question with no answers! Apr 8, 2016 at 3:37
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    It's a bronze badge, who cares about them anyway? Badges don't give privileges or anything like that. Apr 8, 2016 at 3:52
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    @remus: you can earn the disciplined badge with an answer, too. Still not easy to get 3 points nowadays (though I guess it depends on the subject matter), but at least you're not also depending on not getting answers.
    – Martha
    Apr 8, 2016 at 4:31
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    Cross-site MSE dupe: meta.stackexchange.com/questions/95918/…
    – DavidG
    Apr 8, 2016 at 15:25
  • @nobalG: when you do that, you reveal yourself as it’s easy to understand the “post was edited”+“voting changed” sequence and it will be logged who made the edit.
    – Holger
    Apr 8, 2016 at 16:10
  • @Holger not 100% sure, since it could be a coincidence (another user edit the post and you take advantage of it to undo your vote);
    – L777
    Apr 8, 2016 at 16:31

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Badges will not be taken away, even if at some point the criteria for achieving them is not met any more.

Regular badges, once earned, are not taken away (at least not automatically).

Tag badges (earned for a score + minimum number of posts in a tag) are taken away when you no longer meet the criteria, and if any badge was earned through heinous cheating, it is sometimes taken away manually at the discretion of the moderators (it takes a Stack Exchange developer to remove it).

(Taken from here)

So yes, it is supposed to be like this, whether it seems good or not.

IMHO, Pekka 웃 made a very good point about this in his (now deleted) comment:

badges exist mainly for an educational purpose. Someone gaming the badge has arguably done what the system wants them to do - learn about how an aspect of it works


To address your update: I do not think it would be feasible for mods to manually remove the badge once awarded, as there would probably be way too many users doing this (nothing I can prove). But further, this is currently not even possible for "standard" mods, as - like mentioned above:

it takes a Stack Exchange developer to remove it

meaning a lot of work for a small amount of people.


There are actually quite a lot of badges that can be "cheated" in a similar manner:

  • Scholar "Ask a question and accept an answer"
  • Autobiographer "Complete "About Me" section of user profile"
  • Commentator "Leave 10 comments"
  • Critic "First down vote"
  • Disciplined "Delete own post with score of 3 or higher"
  • Peer Pressure "Delete own post with score of -3 or lower"
  • Suffrage "Use 30 votes in a day"
  • Supporter "First up vote "
  • Vox Populi "Use the maximum 40 votes in a day"
  • (Informed)* "Read the entire tour page"

*Sort of. You can't undo the action but you do not necessarily have to read the page

Notice, how every one of those badges is a bronze one. This supports the argument, that those badges are only for educational purposes, to invite you to try new features. It even says so on the right sidebar of the badges page:

Bronze badges encourage users to try out new features on the site. They are easy to get if you try!

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    I "cheated" to get the peer pressure badge, now I regret it. It wasn't a bad answer, didn't deserve being deleted even if it was only for few seconds.
    – Oriol
    Apr 7, 2016 at 12:05
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    Now if only people would stop giving me upvoted answers on my (very few!) 3+ questions so I could delete one ;)
    – Michael B
    Apr 7, 2016 at 14:15
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    @MichaelB-AzureMVP: answers are "posts". I always assumed "disciplined" was intended for people deleting upvoted answers once they realized the answer was wrong. Apr 8, 2016 at 4:01
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    wonder why he deleted that comment. Did he think he would get a badge for it? ;)
    – CubeJockey
    Apr 8, 2016 at 15:30
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    @CubeJockey I had commented, asking whether he would be alright with me, citing his comment - he agreed. Those got deleted as well. I reckon they got flagged and deleted as obsolete but I have no idea
    – T3 H40
    Apr 8, 2016 at 15:42
  • @T3H40 yep, I remember seeing both of those
    – CubeJockey
    Apr 8, 2016 at 16:26
  • Np. Konami code doesn't work though - I tried;)
    – T3 H40
    Apr 8, 2016 at 18:21
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    + Mortarboard "Earn at least 200 reputation (the daily maximum) in a single day." I believe this one is cheated often, be it intentionally or as a victim. I received it when a spam vote account upvoted many of my posts and was reversed the next day. I'd really have rather earned that badge on my own merit. -_-
    – OhBeWise
    Apr 9, 2016 at 1:57
  • How do you cheat autobiographer?
    – Miriam
    Jun 6, 2018 at 19:21
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    @ArtemisFowl Someone else writes your biography for you?
    – C. Helling
    Aug 6, 2018 at 20:39
  • @c.helling Quite. I guess when creating joining a new network, your about me is carried across, but still.
    – Miriam
    Aug 9, 2018 at 17:30
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    @artemis fowl You could always "fkskfkdjfhsjcjs" away on your keyboard and delete it afterwards. The idea of "cheating" a badge as for this post is to perform an action and undo it again after you got the achievement
    – T3 H40
    Aug 9, 2018 at 18:41
  • @T3H40 True, fair enough.
    – Miriam
    Aug 9, 2018 at 21:03
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Bronze badges are ones that in the main are designed to introduce you to some feature of the system that you've not tried before and that you may not know about.

If you delete your post, you lose the rep it gained, it's possible you've never done that before and not realised it, well now you know and when you undelete it you learn that you get the rep back again. Maybe you didn't even realise you could delete your own upvoted posts prior to doing this.

Whether you undelete it or not you've learned something about how Stack Overflow works so that's one justification of why you should keep the badge.

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    I think the key issue here is whether you can get the badge multiple times or only once. I can see why someone could get annoyed if people start earning an insane amount of bronze badges by deleting and undeleting stuff...
    – user000001
    Apr 7, 2016 at 15:17
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    @user000001 In this case (as is the case with almost all non-tag bronze badges) you can get it only once. Apr 7, 2016 at 15:44
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In Minecraft, you earn an achievement just for opening your inventory. The achievement is called, well, 'Taking Inventory'. Many games work like this, and Stack Overflow was influenced by game design.

The list of bronze badges are similar to a list of in-game achievements that are mostly darkened out, with a few glimmering to get your attention, also serving as prerequisites for the more advanced achievements. The faster you eat all of that low-hanging fruit, the sooner you know most of the basic aspects of gameplay; for well-designed games, anyway.

If you don't make the very early steps in a game easy enough for people to accomplish, they won't see as much value in continuing to unlock privileges that facilitate the kind of community moderation that we have. Yes, bronze badges are primarily there for discovery - but a few of them earned quickly can make a big difference in someone capable coming back and continuing to develop their account, or just abandoning it after a few days.

You know that you can delete an upvoted answer if you figure out that it was totally wrong or even dangerous, and that's the point of the badge. That you shot a few toes rep off for a few moments is more of a temporary and ancillary inconvenience ;)

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    +50 just for the Minecraft reference. (I'm back on a Minecraft kick, ignore me.) On a more serious note, I'd be surprised if there weren't at least a handful of users who didn't realize they could do this until they decided to glance through the badge list one day... Teaches them to clean up after themselves so the community doesn't have to. In turn making this answer all the more on-point.
    – Kendra
    Apr 8, 2016 at 16:44

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