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I got myself slightly suckered into a conversation on Answers.microsoft.com about some of their more frustrating practices. One of their moderators responded with this (which I am 99.99% sure isn't true):

In case you dont know Stack overflow & Super user are MS forums.

Then when challenged, the moderator replied:

Um no, it is not "a completely independent entity". It is an affiliated engaged site. As you say there is no "contract" in place. Would love to share the documentation with you but the stats are under NDA (non disclosure agreement)
Suffice it to say when a users stats are tabulated for MS sites SO/SU/SF are listed.
Think of them in the same manner as skype. Different name same owner.

Had it been a random user saying so, I would have ignored it as a stupid comment, but being a moderator, I wanted to raise it here to get a real response.

I am reasonably confident that MS doesn't own SO though!

Oh yes, the link.

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    I think the use of the word "forum" is evidence enough that they don't know what they're talking about.
    – Tunaki
    Commented Mar 27, 2016 at 12:17
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    Person is probably trolling. Or misunderstanding that just because MS collect stats about things that occur on Stack Exchange, it means there's a strong link there.
    – TZHX
    Commented Mar 27, 2016 at 12:22
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    He mentions he knows about some documentation which is under an NDA agreement, but signs off as I do not work for MS - which means he wouldn't be able to see these documents anyway, if they were to even exist.
    – Rob Mod
    Commented Mar 27, 2016 at 12:28
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    @rob being under an nda is not limited to (or even primarily used for) employees.
    – TZHX
    Commented Mar 27, 2016 at 12:31
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    @Rob MVPs are privvy to NDA information AFAIK. Though it looks like he got the wrong end of the stick here. Commented Mar 27, 2016 at 12:31
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    Tell him to read this. MS is not even listed there. Commented Mar 27, 2016 at 12:43
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    It is just nonsense, you already know that. He added 1+1 and ended up with 11 somehow. Being a moderator at answers doesn't mean that much, there is nothing like a formal election procedure like we have here. If you show up often enough and don't inflame too many people then Microsoft will make you one. I am one (not at answers), shows you how easy it is :) It is extra nonsense because nothing at answers would ever be on topic at SO. Could fit SU. Very hard to get rid of bad info, forum sites like this one were the primary motivation for starting SO 8 years ago. Commented Mar 27, 2016 at 12:45
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    Microsoft may sponsor some tags on SO/SU - but apart from that... nothing...(I'm not an SO employee but I feel 99.9r% confident in saying that :p) Commented Mar 27, 2016 at 13:19
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    aiiieee! Makes me want to remove the MVP designation from my user profile... What arrogance! Commented Mar 27, 2016 at 18:02
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    @MartinSmith I guess in the same way as moderators in the Stack Exchange network sign an NDA (if I'm correct...) for disclosure of private information.
    – AStopher
    Commented Mar 27, 2016 at 18:05
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    Tell this person to post an answer here. We'll vote on their credibility. :) Commented Mar 27, 2016 at 18:34
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    @cybermonkey yup - you don't get your diamond until you agree to stackoverflow.com/legal/moderator-agreement Commented Mar 27, 2016 at 18:35
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    "Suffice it to say when a users stats are tabulated for MS sites SO/SU/SF are listed." So if I scrape data from Stack Overflow, that makes me part owner? Sweet! Commented Mar 28, 2016 at 1:03
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    It really doesn't matter, Google owns Microsoft but I can't give the specifics because I'm under NDA. Trust me it's true! I'm the one guy on the internet you can trust! Commented Mar 28, 2016 at 2:47
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    April 1 is still a few days off. Thanks for ruining the joke Microsoft. :-( Commented Mar 28, 2016 at 3:29

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Microsoft has been slowly transitioning some of their larger developer communities to some of our sites - with some help from us. That the waves in which this happens go by without much notice is a pretty great compliment to folks on their end working to make sure people have a good experience.

I'm pretty sure this is just a case of informal internal speak manifesting publicly, e.g. "[SE site] is our place for that now" - at least that's probably how it started.

I'll look into reaching out to them. You know, as AT&T used to sing in their commercials that aired in North America some time ago ... reach out, reach out and touch someone!

Update

I replied to the thread to clear up any misconceptions or misinformation, better explain our relationship, and remind folks to be good to one another.

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    So, how much money (or securities) is/are changing hands in this relationship? Commented Mar 28, 2016 at 8:02
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    It's all transacted with tears of broken VB developers.
    – user50049
    Commented Mar 28, 2016 at 12:05
  • Damn! that's a big transaction!
    – Michael B
    Commented Mar 28, 2016 at 14:11
  • @TimPost You must be sitting on rivers of salt water and mountains of dried salt then.
    – Magisch
    Commented Mar 28, 2016 at 17:59
  • Almost five years later, the remote thread is still disturbing, and I don't think your response there managed to set the record straight. I'm sorry I clicked on that link.
    – tripleee
    Commented Feb 3, 2021 at 8:15
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Nope.

Think of them in the same manner as skype. Different name same owner.

Different name, different owner, actually.

Stack Overflow (the company) is not a subsidiary of Microsoft. The sites, including the trilogy, are owned and operated by Stack Overflow.

While I can't reason why the moderator said that, there may be a couple of reasons:

  • S[OFUE] runs on a Microsoft stack (SQL Server, C# ASP.NET MVC)
  • Microsoft sponsors a few tags on SO
  • Microsoft collect a lot of stats; some of those are about S[OFUE]

Or, alternatively, the moderator you spoke to is sadly misguided (forum, really?) and needs some education.

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    Same mod is now saying "Yawn. Believe what you like." He needs more than an education; a slap upside the head probably wouldn't go amiss. Commented Mar 27, 2016 at 17:24
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    As a onetime part of a company acquired by Microsoft, I am confident that Stack Exchange is independent. There is a certain style (bloat/obfuscation) that MS ownership brings. I see no evidence of that on Stack Overflow. Things work too well here, for the most part. Commented Mar 27, 2016 at 17:29
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    Someone on the internet says something spectacularly wrong and stubbornly sticks to his guns against all sanity and reason. Shocking! I have never seen this happen before. And on the internet, of all places! I hope this doesn't turn into a new trend or something... Commented Mar 27, 2016 at 21:49
  • "Stack Overflow (the company) is not a subsidiary of Microsoft. The sites, including the trilogy, are owned and operated by Stack Overflow." This sounds a bit circular. Anyway, does anyone know who is the current owner of "StackExchanges Inc."? Commented Mar 28, 2016 at 10:35
  • @Trilarion stackoverflow.com/company/about
    – nikoshr
    Commented Mar 28, 2016 at 10:42
  • @Trilarion Stack Exchange, Inc. is the owner. It's its own company.
    – ArtOfCode
    Commented Mar 28, 2016 at 10:46
  • @nikoshr There seems to be only hints. Some institutional investors. But who owns how much? And is this list exhaustive? And is maybe MS behind one of them? I can only conclude that the ownership of SO is not known and there all people here say is mostly speculation. Commented Mar 28, 2016 at 10:47
  • @ArtOfCode So, who is the current owner of "StackExchanges Inc."? A company is just a tool. It must have an owner. Being it's own company doesn't make much sense or does it? Commented Mar 28, 2016 at 10:48
  • @Trilarion Stack Exchange, Inc. is the top level. I guess you could say it's owned by Joel Spolsky, who is the CEO.
    – ArtOfCode
    Commented Mar 28, 2016 at 10:49
  • @ArtOfCode CEO usually is not the same as owner. The comment by nikoshr hints that there are 70 million dollars invested in StackExchange Inc. so far by several institutional investors. I doubt they all belong to Joel Spolsky. Commented Mar 28, 2016 at 11:08
  • @Trilarion Correct, but "investors" != "owners"
    – ArtOfCode
    Commented Mar 28, 2016 at 11:13
  • @ArtOfCode Are you sure? Usually investors want something in return. Usually it's ownership although sometimes it's also only interest. Do you have any proof or sources that Joel Spolsky has currently complete control/rights of StackExchange Inc.? I think it is rather unlikely by now. Commented Mar 28, 2016 at 11:19
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    @Trilarion Go read Tim's response to the original thread on Answers. "Stack Overflow is a privately-held company".
    – ArtOfCode
    Commented Mar 28, 2016 at 11:22
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    @ArtOfCode You're right. That's what he says. So an unknown group of individuals (most probably among them Joel Spolsky) owns StackExchange Inc. Good source. Commented Mar 28, 2016 at 11:33
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I was all ready to build up a head of righteous indignation steam, until I realized you're not talking about an SE moderator.

All bets are off.

Every new user that comes to the SE network has to be educated about how it works, and why we're different from other Internet forums. Microsoft Forum moderators are no different, in that regard.

That someone from Microsoft has misconceptions about Stack Exchange is just par for the course.

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    My concern, and only real reason for posting this, was that if a high rep moderator here made an equally bizarre assertion about some other site, members of this site would regard it as fact simply by virtue of their reputation. It seemed like too big of a statement to let lie and accumulate momentum, and as a random member here and there, my refuting it wouldn't have had any weight. Although I must say I have perhaps enjoyed the replies since!
    – Michael B
    Commented Mar 27, 2016 at 17:43
  • The chances of that happening are pretty close to zero. By the time SE mods get through the vetting process of an election, they all have a fair idea exactly what SE is, if they didn't already. Commented Mar 27, 2016 at 17:52
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    Not someone "from Microsoft" any more than you are from Stack Exchange, Inc., though. Just an unelected mod.
    – Mark Amery
    Commented Mar 27, 2016 at 18:07
  • The problem is more that someone "from Microsoft" (fsvo 'from', as explored in other comments) has misconceptions about Microsoft itself. Commented Mar 27, 2016 at 19:27
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    To be honest I find it extremely unlikely that a SE mod would do something like that (in any case). We generally speaking don't elect people who like to talk BS or who can't stop talking when they know nothing.
    – Magisch
    Commented Mar 27, 2016 at 22:34
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What a mind-bogglingly uninformed moderator on Microsoft forums that is:

In case you don't know, Stack Overflow & Super User are MS forums.

There are two things wrong here:

  • Neither Stack Overflow nor Super User are forums
  • Neither are affiliated with Microsoft

Um no, it is not "a completely independent entity".

It is

It is an affiliated engaged site.

Despite that term being ambiguously defined, that's in no way true. IIRC Stack Exchange has no marketing deals with Microsoft to turn this into a Microsoft forum.

Would love to share the documentation with you but the stats are under NDA (non disclosure agreement)

That's either a blatant lie (if such a thing existed a random mod on Microsoft answers wouldn't know it does) or hilarious levels of misinformation.

Think of them in the same manner as Skype. Different name, same owner.

That's completely absurd. Pretty hilarious that a moderator in the Microsoft forums doesn't know who owns Stack Exchange and who doesn't.

BTW, when confronted about his completely ridiculous statements, he likes to get condescending:

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In conclusion, this (irrelevant) moderator on answer.ms has no idea what he is talking about and is probably just talking out of his feces exit channel directly.

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  • @PeterMortensen - Doesn't fixing a quote make the quote inaccurate?
    – BSMP
    Commented Jul 11, 2016 at 22:12

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