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I just stumbled upon this answer: (screenshot for <10K)

My first thought was, that the poster had difficulties with the English languages, but his comments suggest that he does it on purpose.

How should I flag this answer? the content "beneath" the gibberish seems not helpful, so it would either be "Not an Answer" or "Very low quality". At the same time it seems (at least from my point of view) as promoting this "language" via low quality post, so is it spam, too?

So what would be the correct flag for those types of posts?

EDIT:

I don't want this question to be perceived as "how to deal with this very minor, rare problem"-question. I did some research on the meta-posts and found nothing that answered my underlying problem/question:

A post looks like gibberish. If I can read the content nonetheless, should I flag it for its content or its gibberish style?

Since the current accepted answer does answer this question, too, I edited the post to make it more general and will be of use for a wider range of "gibberish".

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    This looks like a rare Very Low Quality target to me.
    – Gimby
    Commented Feb 25, 2016 at 8:38
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    In this particular case, my guess would be that we either have someone with a very poor sense of humour, or someone currently undergoing a "mania" phase of their bipolar disorder. At any rate, stackoverflow.com is English-only. Full stop. An occasional comment to help someone understand why this site is English-only or to point them to resources in their native language if they're clearly struggling is usually okay, but answers are pretty much never. Commented Feb 25, 2016 at 8:59
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    It falls into the "gibberish" category. Dispatch it as you would any other "gibberish." We don't need a Meta question for every "how do I handle this particular type of gibberish" problem.
    – Cody Gray Mod
    Commented Feb 25, 2016 at 11:02
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    This is one of the more elaborate trolls I've come across in a long time. They're promoting a limited alphabet for the English language, in order to sell their smaller keyboard, or whatever. Brilliant.
    – CodeCaster
    Commented Feb 25, 2016 at 11:22
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    @CodeCaster nnicrosopht.net/Html/Patent.html is hilarious. He is also trying to sell the WinAPI rewritten using hecs for $1000 ;) nnicrosopht.net/Html/Hecs/doc/oueruieuu.html Commented Feb 25, 2016 at 11:38
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    This looks like a very broken OCR software... it confuses w and v with u's, or maybe someone spelling on a speech recognition software.
    – Braiam
    Commented Feb 25, 2016 at 16:46
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    It looks like an attempt to answer to me, so it is all good!
    – user177800
    Commented Feb 25, 2016 at 16:56
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    What I really want to know is Why the question has not been closed? There are any one of the multiple valid reasons to close it. off-topic: recommendations as it is asking for recommendations, opinion-based as it is soliciting opinions and discussion and too broad.
    – user177800
    Commented Feb 25, 2016 at 16:59
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    @JarrodRoberson Situation rectified
    – TylerH
    Commented Feb 25, 2016 at 19:02
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    Uuhi don't iou lice the language? I thinc it deserues its ouun SE site. Commented Feb 25, 2016 at 19:20
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    @CodeCaster He's not trying to promote a smaller keyboard, he wants to cut the alphabet down to 16 letters to make it more computer friendly. Can someone please create English with 32 letters already, I want 6 new characters. Commented Feb 25, 2016 at 20:32
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    Looks like a good candidate for a review audit...
    – War10ck
    Commented Feb 25, 2016 at 20:51
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    He probably didn't purchase nnicrosopht.com and got .net instead because m is deprecated in his language... he's really paying attention to detail. By the way, here's a rough toHecs function. Commented Feb 25, 2016 at 21:03
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    It's astonishing that one can in principle read it. Commented Feb 25, 2016 at 22:23
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    @SajibAcharya Iph iou read the connents aboue iou'd knouu that nnani oph us uuent there... Commented Feb 26, 2016 at 11:30

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The answer is unclear so anyone stumbling on that answer should have started with a down vote first.

When that is done we can start investigating if more is needed.

Considering your flag options:

  • Not an answer: As soon as an answer is an attempt to answer a question the NAA flags are not your best option. Many of these flags end-up being declined, even for seasoned flaggers. As the language used is debatable we can figure out it attempts to answer.
  • Very Low Quality: This flag has a higher chance of being accepted. Posts that are (close to) gibberish are perfect candidates for this kind of flag.
  • Spam: You're correct that promoting your own or a service/product is not acceptable in most cases. At first sight the post under scrutiny doesn't seem to be promoting anything. Spam flags have a big impact, they carry an automatic down vote with them and after 6 spam flags a -100 reputation penalty for the poster. If a spam flag was raised on that answer it could have been declined. Closer inspection/investigation reveals that the answer is also promotional for their own library

If promotion happens in comments I would use a custom flag and explain for the moderator clearly what kind of pattern you see that you feel needs their attention.

tl;dr Down vote the answer and flag as Very Low Quality.

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  • Thank you for the detailed explanation. My first thought was to flag as "Very Low Quality", which I then did. And it is good to know the gravity of the "spam" flag. +1, and accepted as soon as I can. Commented Feb 25, 2016 at 9:48
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    "The post under scrutiny isn't promoting anything though." Eh, it's gibberish, you never know - maybe they are trying to promote something and spectacularly failing to get it across ;)
    – BoltClock
    Commented Feb 25, 2016 at 11:57
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    It is definitely promoting something. Their company sells I++ and UUindows. The entire answer is promoting their library or whatever the heck it is.
    – Cody Gray Mod
    Commented Feb 25, 2016 at 12:18
  • @CodyGray noted, and slightly changed the wording of my explanation of the spam flag.
    – rene
    Commented Feb 25, 2016 at 12:35
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    @CodyGray kudos for reading through that gibberish, quite a poor way of advertising something I'd say :) Its very low quality spam.
    – Gimby
    Commented Feb 25, 2016 at 15:01
  • @Gimby I don't know about that. At the very least, I'm intrigued about the product, despite how ridiculous it appears to be.
    – Mage Xy
    Commented Feb 25, 2016 at 17:09
  • A couple of quick whois searches shows the domain nnicrosopht.net that seems to be advertising UUindows has a registrant that is fond of registering domains with phonetic spelling and "nn == m" and "uu == w" substitutions. Strange. Commented Feb 25, 2016 at 17:16
  • @jrich It is not that strange, these people think they have created a new language that is superior to English. They probably sell "translations" of other products. Well, I guess that's the strange part. :-)
    – Cody Gray Mod
    Commented Feb 25, 2016 at 17:36
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    As @CodyGray points out - if you translate the questioned post into correct English, it is really nothing more than: Use our [library](link to outside source). It should work for you.
    – OhBeWise
    Commented Feb 25, 2016 at 18:27
  • @JRichardSnape how did you locate the other domains from the same registrant
    – chiliNUT
    Commented Feb 25, 2016 at 21:26
  • @MageXy resist the spam friend, resist.
    – Gimby
    Commented Feb 25, 2016 at 21:43
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    @CodyGray Rather than a company trying to sell something, it appears to be one guy trying to get people to use his joke language / API / interface.
    – Brian
    Commented Feb 25, 2016 at 23:02
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(Translation of rene's answer for Hecsidecinnal folks reading those gibberish English posts: http://ideone.com/7v7UmQ)

The ansuuer is unclear so anione stunnbling on that ansuuer should haue started uuith a douun uote phirst.

Uuhen that is done uue can start inuestigating iph nnore is needed.

Considering iour phlag options :

  • Not an ansuuer : As soon as an ansuuer is an attennpt to ansuuer a cuuestion the NAA phlags are not iour best option.Nnani oph these phlags end-up being declined, euen phor seasoned phlaggers.As the language used is debatable uue can phigure out it attennpts to ansuuer.
  • Ueri Louu Cuualiti : This phlag has a higher chance oph being accepted.Posts that are(close to) gibberish are perphect candidates phor this ci nd oph phlag.
  • Spann : Iou're correct that pronnoting iour ouun or a seruice/product is not acceptable in nnost cases. At phirst sight the post under scrutin i doesn't seenn to be pronnoting anithing.Spann phlags haue a big innpact, thei carri an autonnatic douun uote uuith thenn and aphter 6 spann phlags a - 100 rep utation penalti phor the poster.Iph a spann phlag uuas raised on that ansuuer it could haue been declined. Closer inspection / inuestigation reueals that the a nsuuer is also pronnotional phor their ouun librari

Iph pronnotion happens in connnnents I uuould use a custonn phlag and ecsplain phor the nnoderator clearli uuhat cind oph pattern iou see that i ou pheel needs their attention.

tl; dr Douun uote the ansuuer and phlag as Ueri Louu Cuualiti.

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    Are you giving us the opportunity to practice rene's advice?
    – Cody Gray Mod
    Commented Feb 26, 2016 at 15:50
  • @CodyGray LOL, sure if you like :) Just my attempt at humor. Commented Feb 26, 2016 at 16:01
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    I really like the word "Cuualiti," btw. It is a little known fact that the English language has always suffered from a dearth of U's. Obvious improvement!
    – Cody Gray Mod
    Commented Feb 26, 2016 at 16:05
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    @CodyGray I know it's not cultured to laugh at your own joke, but every time I read this post I can't stop laughing: "phlag as Urei Louu Cuualiti" I'll never be able to click that button again without an hearing: "phlgue as youree leu quealitie" Commented Feb 26, 2016 at 16:10
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    Can't we could just change it to "Ueri Louu Cuualiti"? No one knows what those descriptions mean anyway. It's a shame that "Not An Ansuuer" is still boring.
    – Cody Gray Mod
    Commented Feb 26, 2016 at 16:16
  • C++ instead of a one-liner in a high-level programming language (like a single statement in Javascript). Do you also kill flies with cannonballs? Commented Feb 27, 2016 at 0:25
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    @CamiloMartin You should revisit C++ sometime. I think you'll find that C++11, 14, and 17 have fitted C++'s powerhouse framework with many of the conveniences of high level languages. Commented Feb 27, 2016 at 3:44
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    @JonathanMee C++ still has manual memory management and macros, right? And compile times that could only be sped up by keeping Moore's law true for another few decades? Commented Feb 27, 2016 at 3:54
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    @CamiloMartin: Manual memory management is still an option, but you call use shared_ptrs and auto_ptrs to have objects be automatically deleted by reference counting. Macros are technically valid C++, but aren't good style. The compile times still suck though. There are plans to create a module system to fix that eventually. Commented Feb 27, 2016 at 4:11
  • @JoshuaSnider Thanks for the info. I still think C++'s legacy is what's holding it back, but I admit it's still the top choice for that same legacy/tooling. Commented Feb 27, 2016 at 5:34
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    @CamiloMartin I'm not sure how fair the compile time complaints are here. As you say pre-C++11 the only reason to use C++ was to write programs designed for speed and power, typically huge beasts. If you're comparing those compile times to the compile time for a Java Applet, well... you're comparing Applets to Oranges. As far as the legacy stuff... that really is the beauty of the current language: In my main engine I use the "legacy" pointers and avoid any of the overhead, but for my GUI I can relay on all the conveniences of modern languages, but I don't have to switch langauges. Commented Feb 27, 2016 at 5:53
  • @JonathanMee Just personal opinion, but C++ is not much more than 1.5x, maybe 2x the speed of languages that take a lot less time and effort to write, debug, and patch. Sure, if you have a team of 1k people to make a game engine whose selling point is being 5% faster than the competition at merely a few more millions of dollars and years in development... Commented Feb 27, 2016 at 6:11
  • @CamiloMartin I don't get your point. Are you saying that Javascript should replace C++? Note that most to all implementations of javascript engines are written in C++. The code shown by Jonathan will compile and perform well in all languages I can imagine of, why we are then talking about performance here? It is a joke, imo a good one!
    – hek2mgl
    Commented Feb 27, 2016 at 13:08
  • @hek2mgl To a certain extent, the expertise required to produce current state of the art JS compilers transcends C++, yes, it's written in C++, but also assembly for the more impressive parts of it (like turning the JS into bytecode internally). I'm pretty sure the only reason so much is done in C++ is because it's easier to find talent in C++ (in numbers a big company needs to hire), but if you were to do a cold analysis of C++ vs. Rust/Ocaml or even C#/Swift, C++ fights against the developer a lot more than these, which IMHO are better designed and run just as fast. Commented Feb 28, 2016 at 5:16
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    C++ is actually one of the languages I never wrote a program in. Not even a hello world one. It sounded odd for me to suggest javascript as an alternative here and I missed to see the advantage. But hey!, it's meta.... Aehm what was the original topic?... :)
    – hek2mgl
    Commented Feb 28, 2016 at 21:32
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The post is an part of an elaborate troll (as several have pointed out in comments). I think the correct response is to raise a flag for the moderators. They would presumably at least temporarily ban the account from posting, and might delete it. Right?

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The answer is not understandable. It should be flagged for the moderator attention.

With further investigation we understand that it is wrote with an unknown alphabet. That should be accepted as answering in a foreign language. The answer should be deleted and the owner of the answer should be encouraged to answer with the current English alphabet.

If someone asks an alternative English alphabet in a further question somewhere on Stackexchange, he can legitly give a reference to his own alphabet as an answer. But again, if it is an English-only QA site, he should write his answer with the English alphabet, not with incognizable own alphabet.

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I do think, as the accepted answer suggests, That mark it as low quality. It is very clear that he did it on purpose. For those who Disagree I would tell them that no one, not even a 3yr old can be confused in the spelling of 'of' more than 5 times. Low quality tag is for the same purpose like the situation is now. Gibberish answers should not be tolerated and flagged instantly. This is a good open discussion for future references.

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If an actual attempt to answer (as this appears to be) is in broken English, but you can understand it, you should edit it to be proper English.

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    The only sensible comment here. The situation is nothing more complicated than that: the writer, who's English is actually perfectly good, just has bad spelling. As Brian very sensibly says, just click the frickin' edit button, and fix the spelling. Given the incredibly low language skills in general of the anglosphere, it's crazy to give anyone a hard time about some bad spelling, good grief.
    – Fattie
    Commented Feb 25, 2016 at 18:10
  • Sure, if the writer was just being a 10yr old smarty pants and typing in pig latin, sure. if you think that's the case, for goodness sake state that clearly on Meta, it is the germane point. Don't talk in circles.
    – Fattie
    Commented Feb 25, 2016 at 18:12
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    General bad spelling - yes agreed. But the specific example in question - no. The mentioned example is clearly not a case of bad spelling; they explicitly advertise their use of a new language, "the phuture ou languages lice English."
    – OhBeWise
    Commented Feb 25, 2016 at 18:16
  • I really like that idea. Fixing the spelling would extinguish the intended advertising effect - rendering it just low quality :-)
    – zx485
    Commented Feb 25, 2016 at 18:57
  • @OhBeWise It's obvious that the user intended for it to be some warped version of the English language, but that's no reason not to fix it.
    – Brian
    Commented Feb 25, 2016 at 19:58
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    Perhaps, but would fixing it be of any worth? Even fixed it wouldn't say much more than "try our product", imho. (Side note: I wouldn't be surprised if the product proposed as a solution is also in the same broken language. Talk about niche learning.)
    – OhBeWise
    Commented Feb 25, 2016 at 21:34
  • @OhBeWise I don't see anything that looks like "try our product" in the answer, only in the comments.
    – Brian
    Commented Feb 25, 2016 at 22:00
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    We should distinguish the example case, which was intentionally written in nonstandard orthography by a spelling-reform crank, from the much more common case where someone doesn't speak English all that well. This is the right answer for when someone doesn't speak English all that well.
    – zwol
    Commented Feb 26, 2016 at 23:28
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    (If you feel like trolling the spelling-reform cranks, I suggest converting their writing to Shavian.)
    – zwol
    Commented Feb 26, 2016 at 23:28

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