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I have observed, that the number of votes on an answer often is reciprocal to the research effort and competence needed to answer it. This has the following reasons:

  • Questions on a broad subject, where many people have detailed knowledge about, get many visits and therefore many upvotes.
  • The more trivial a question (and its answer) is, the more people feel competent to deem it correct and upvote.

Conversely:

  • Questions on a very narrow topic are not read and/or understood by many people at all.
  • When the answerer had to put a lot of (research) effort in his post, it sometimes is tedious to follow and many people might be deterred from comprehending (or even reading) it.

I think, it would be desirable to have a correcting factor here to motivate more people to tackle difficult questions, but I have to admit, that I do not have a good proposal for a solution.

Any comments?

Edit: The proposed duplicate is very different: It focuses on questions, while here I wanted to discuss a mechanism, on how to motivate people better to put effort into answering difficult, specialized questions without having the feeling that noone takes notice of that.

Edit2: I still do not see where the linked question is a duplicate. The focus is obviously completely different. While the linked question asks to minimize "bad questions", this discusses how to maximize the effort for good answers on difficult questions.

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    You can also read about the bikeshed problem on the Overmeta. Feb 18, 2016 at 19:59
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    What exactly is wrong with the current system? The... easier questions are the ones that will appeal to the most users, and the difficult ones are the ones that will appeal to the least. When i say users, i mean both answerers and other users who have the same question. By that logic, i see nothing wrong with the easier questions being better rewarded; they're simply more useful to the community.
    – Kevin B
    Feb 18, 2016 at 20:17
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    It is a self-correcting problem, there is (almost) no user that doesn't get bored with answering trite questions. They typically last for ~3 months and then completely burn out and never come back. Answering difficult questions is a much more rewarding experience, it isn't just the OP that benefits from it. You learn from it yourself and that never gets old. Feb 18, 2016 at 20:30
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    Unfortunately, like rabbits, the bad users breed faster than they die off. We need some kind of anti-vamp virus to thin the population. Feb 18, 2016 at 20:48
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    @Martin, you seem to be taking this way too personally. May I suggest you watch an episode of The Walking Dead or two to compensate? Feb 18, 2016 at 21:01
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    This problem has been much talked about on Meta pretty much from the start more than six years ago. However, I notice that the top 20-30 of users still seems to consist mostly of users who didn't get "big" answering trivial questions (although I know a couple in the 50k-80k range). The system is doing something right
    – Pekka
    Feb 18, 2016 at 21:03
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    @Pekka웃 The system is ok, which doesn't mean, that it can't be improved. The conservative "We can live with that" attitude just chokes off any progress. This is also a reason for the demise of organizations when they get too big and immobile.
    – Ctx
    Feb 18, 2016 at 21:44
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    how to motivate people better to put effort into answering difficult, specialized questions - Bounties?
    – BSMP
    Feb 18, 2016 at 21:52
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    @Pekka웃 Since we do not know how good it can be, isn't it impossible to determine how big this issue is? Fact is, that many of the more specialized questions remain unanswered (or at least without a sophisticated answer). This is what the site should strive to change I think.
    – Ctx
    Feb 18, 2016 at 21:53
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    @BSMP Yes, bounties is a step in the right direction, but a bit too narrow. It is mere a mechanism for the desperate asker than a general solution for this effect.
    – Ctx
    Feb 18, 2016 at 21:54
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    This is what the site should strive to change I think. Sure, that would be great. It's come up before, but as said so far no one has managed to make a successful suggestion. If you have something in mind, make a concrete suggestion - but be prepared for it to be analyzed and criticized in minute detail by many experienced users - that is the Meta process all our suggestions have to go through.
    – Pekka
    Feb 18, 2016 at 21:55
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    I have yet to see a "hard" question that was actually hard, rather than just being a lot of work due to the asker not being willing or capable to do the proper research/debugging before asking. We're programming after all, most problems boil down to a simple flaw in logic or syntax errors. Logic problems can be difficult, but they're only difficult until you break it down into smaller parts and identify where it originates, which again boils down to debugging!
    – Kevin B
    Feb 18, 2016 at 22:04
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    @HansPassant I am sorry, but your response is incomprehensible to me. Could you rephrase that?
    – Ctx
    Feb 18, 2016 at 23:42
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    Life isn't fair
    – gnat
    Feb 19, 2016 at 9:07

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I am afraid i also agree, i believe the favoring comes from having to answer fast questions before OP accepts an answer just because it comes first, additionally a big portion of users just want an answer not an explanation, which degrades the overall quality of stackoverflow.

Suggestion

Locking upvotes and accepting answers for the first 5 minutes of posting a question, this way users have much more time to provide a quality answer, instead of the current way of doing things over three iterations:

  1. answer the question as fast as possible
  2. edit answer to explain the answer
  3. write an example / enhance code written
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  • I agree with your eyeball assessment that a large portion of users "just" want the answer (aka "send me the codez") and that it's detrimental to SO's quality and reputation, but how would your suggestion help? By the way, I don't think you are answering the question.
    – Jongware
    Nov 20, 2016 at 10:46
  • @RadLexus true i did not intend to answer, but more like sharing what i had in mind after reading OP's concern.
    – Bamieh
    Nov 20, 2016 at 10:56
  • It's crazy how useful to many questions/answers get more upvotes than those that are only useful to a few. /s
    – Kevin B
    Nov 21, 2016 at 16:30
  • Doesn't this already exist? I think you have to wait several hours before you can accept an answer.
    – Pekka
    Nov 21, 2016 at 17:30
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I completely agree. Questions showing no effort whatsoever to even read the basics (e.g. "How to print a string in Java?") get thousands of upvotes, granting the new user who asked it a lot of privileges in few days.

My proposal is to limit the reputation you can get from one question and one answer.

This way you won't be able to become a Superman by asking/answering elementary question while the popular question still gets its upvotes.

This has some advantages:

  • Safety: random users don't get a high reputation gain from few questions
  • Higher activity: users are motivated to answer more questions well, not to hunt for the easiest ones.
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    There is absolutely nothing wrong with rewarding someone with reputation for a phenomenal answer. Branch prediction remains one of the most venerable answers on this site, and it would be a pity if that was cut off.
    – Makoto
    Nov 18, 2016 at 19:12
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    I'm on an ipad right now and am too lazy to look up the related stats and discussion, but this has been talked about before. Bottom line: people gaining lots of rep from one trivial answer happens much more rarely that you would think, and thanks to the daily rep cap the amount of rep you can make from an answer is very limited already. 200 upvotes is unlikely to translate to 2000 points. Instating a per-post cap would actually favour the highest rep users the most and take away points from low to moderate rep users
    – Pekka
    Nov 18, 2016 at 19:16
  • @Pekka웃: In the answerer's defense, this particular question was from February of this year...
    – Makoto
    Nov 18, 2016 at 19:19
  • @Makoto I don't suggest to cancel bounties. They are usually given for hard questions that nobody could answer within few days and ther is no problem with that. The OP talks about easy questions, giving an author same reputation gain, as the answer you call phenomenal.
    – Noidea
    Nov 18, 2016 at 19:20
  • Bounties are definitely not the thing that have contributed to the score of that question. The user has maxed out in terms of rep on that question alone, but at @Pekka웃 said, this is a rarer occurrence than anything else. I mentioned that answer because you said to limit the reputation for a question or answer, and my counterargument was that this would apply to all questions and answers. Determining if a question is "easy" can be quite difficult, since it depends on who's asking and who's looking.
    – Makoto
    Nov 18, 2016 at 19:22
  • @Makoto Yes, I suggest it for all questions without determining whether they are easy. Reputation is already limited per day, why not limiting it per question? I see the advantages of it. Better safety wrt moderation and higher activity as it motivates to answer more questions.
    – Noidea
    Nov 18, 2016 at 19:28
  • @Pekka, could you elaborate more on why having a per-post reputation limit (cap?) is worse than the current system?
    – Noidea
    Nov 18, 2016 at 19:30
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    meta.stackexchange.com/questions/136059/…, read the accepted answer
    – Pekka
    Nov 18, 2016 at 19:35
  • @Pekka웃 Interesting discussion, but the only disadvantage I saw in the accepted answer is that users will get less reputation, but this is the intention behind it!
    – Noidea
    Nov 18, 2016 at 19:42
  • I'm not finding much posts that get a user to moderator level (assuming 3K, to be that level) within a couple of days: data.stackexchange.com/stackoverflow/query/580446 and the few that do doesn't seem to be answers to basic questions.
    – rene
    Nov 18, 2016 at 19:43
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    Also note that this isn't a bad answer. It's downvoted because people disagree with you.
    – dorukayhan
    Nov 18, 2016 at 19:49
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    Consider the possibility that people disagree with you because, you know, you're wrong. Especially given that the system is very unlikely to change no matter whether this gets upvoted or not. Again, can you point to an actual example of where this is an actual problem?
    – Pekka
    Nov 18, 2016 at 19:55
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    So someone maybe reaches the downvote privilege by answering a trivial question and gaining 13 upvotes (which is very unlikely) instead of answering 13 trivial questions and getting an upvote each. Not sure either is a real problem. A point system will always favour trivial questions; that's a given and has been clear from when the site started in '08. That it still works halfway ok after 8 years, and its top users are still mostly real experts and not just point-gamers, continues to be a huge surprise to me. It's proof that it's no good imagineering problems that may or may not exist, though.
    – Pekka
    Nov 18, 2016 at 20:01
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    Lol. People claiming there is an issue != proof that there is an issue
    – Pekka
    Nov 18, 2016 at 20:30
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    @yellowantphil yeah, that is crazy - and not unlike a couple of answers from the very early days of Stack Overflow. Still think it's an outlier and not a widespread problem in a mature community. See here this was suggested (by Jon Skeet, our top user, no less!) and rejected because it would mainly hurt lower rep users, and because the problem doesn't seem that huge quantity wise. I wouldn't mind seeing a per-post cap rather than a daily cap, but it likely wouldn't fix anything in terms of...
    – Pekka
    Nov 18, 2016 at 20:35

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