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I marked a question in review as requires editing and got a response saying it was spam.

I put in some time to view the question before answering and to me it looked like it requires editing. Is there a way for me to make an appeal to get unblocked if I am not wrong here?

Question Title:

trouble with debugging in Charles Proxy

The Question:

Hi :) I am trying to debug a file on the website www.stardoll.com with Charles Proxy. I am activating breakpoints so I can edit the request of saveChat.php but when I click execute the response always returns FALSE as you can see in the images below :

But when I erase the values of _ aId _I and _xt the response returns true.. How can I do that on my own site? Not allow the user to edit the request? Thanks :)

This is what showed up when I pressed the review button:

You have made too many incorrect reviews. For an example of a task you should have reviewed differently, see: https://stackoverflow.com/review/triage/11153800.
Come back in 7 days to continue reviewing.

I know what Charles Proxy is now, have seen people use it for testing. Don't think that this had to be spam. Don't think this had to be closed either. I guess even the user got deleted/blocked on this, which is unfair. But who cares. RIP "trouble with debugging in Charles Proxy".

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    Are you sure that question "Requires Editing"? What kind of "editing" you think it merits?
    – Braiam
    Commented Feb 5, 2016 at 4:57
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    You tell me. You said it required editing. What kind of editing were you expecting so other folks can answer this question?
    – Braiam
    Commented Feb 5, 2016 at 5:00
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    @Braiam At least the images could be added in the question instead of links and may be some more explanation could be added who ever knows Charles Commented Feb 5, 2016 at 5:01
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    That's exactly the problem. Right there. That's not a responsibility of anyone else but OP to explain their problem clearly. Not someone else. Don't make your peers waste their times with this kind of questions. Unsalvageable -> Off Topic -> No MCVE is the way to go.
    – Braiam
    Commented Feb 5, 2016 at 5:03
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    @Braiam Ok . It says that the post was marked spam. Wasn't it also closed for the wrong reason. See I had flagged other questions as unsalvagable before saying they were unclear or low quality which were similar to this. So to me this question is very confusing to be reviewed. I think there would be different perspectives for different people. Commented Feb 5, 2016 at 5:06
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    Yes, that post was closed erroneously. And it also did kind of have enough info to be answered. Commented Feb 5, 2016 at 5:51
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    @BrockAdams . It seems on the very edge of unsalvagable and requires editing. I forgot to mention previously the flags to similar questions were declined for me. Commented Feb 5, 2016 at 6:24
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    The question links to non-programming site. Why are you sure that it isn't spam?
    – BSMP
    Commented Feb 5, 2016 at 11:58
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    That didn't require editing, it required a rework from the OP. Poor formatting would require editing. Poor asking requires the OP add what the question is missing. That might be a point of confusion. Yes, the OP needed to edit it, but that isn't the same as "Requires Editing." At least that's my interpretation; someone from the team might clarify.
    – user1228
    Commented Feb 5, 2016 at 15:21
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    @Will: That's the interpretation put forward in the faq-proposed for Triage that I drafted. 80 upvotes later, I think it's a general consensus. Commented Feb 5, 2016 at 16:04
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    Since no-one said it. You weren't blocked from reviewing because of that particular audit. You were blocked because you made several previous audit errors. Don't focus one that one but on all of those that lead to this.
    – Tunaki
    Commented Feb 5, 2016 at 21:46
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    Even if you made all the edits that the OP should have included in that post to begin with upfront I'd almost certainly still be closing it as "OT: Questions seeking debugging help ("why isn't this code working?") must include the desired behavior, a specific problem or error and the shortest code necessary to reproduce it in the question itself". That's what makes it unsalvageable in my view. (It's not spam however, it's pretty rare for links to the SO imgur site to be spam) Commented Feb 5, 2016 at 21:59
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    @Braiam - Wait a minute, you mean the 'Requires Editing' flag doesn't include the OP as a potential editor? Every time I click 'Requires Editing' this is who I have in mind as the person who should be doing the editing... Commented Feb 5, 2016 at 22:00
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    @RyanfaeScotland the OP had all the time in the universe up to the point where they hit "post question" to make edits. "Requires editing" pushes the post to stackoverflow.com/review/helper where other, experienced users are meant to be able to fix it up into a decent question. "remember, questions in this queue have been selected because enough people thought they showed strong potential, but needed some work" Commented Feb 5, 2016 at 22:05
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    Why are you assuming Charles Proxy must have been the spam-worthy link, when there's another website involved? (A la @BSMP's comment from a year and a half ago.) Commented Sep 7, 2017 at 21:46

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I'd say this one is quite a good audit actually, because it highlights an important distinction between "requires editing" and "unsalvagable":

It's true that this post does need editing, but that belies the fact that there are more significant, fundamental problems with the question. Even if the most skilled editor on the site hammered it into shape to the best of their ability the question still wouldn't have enough information for an average or probably even skilled user to reproduce the issue it pertains to.

What you've got to remember in triage is that "requires editing" asks another 2K user to have a go at editing it. Not the OP (who has already had all the time in the universe to include info/test cases), but another user. "Requires editing" pushes the post to https://stackoverflow.com/review/helper where other, experienced users are meant to be able to fix it up into a decent question.

"remember, questions in this queue have been selected because enough people thought they showed strong potential, but needed some work"

(emphasis mine)

In set theoretic terms "requires editing" has a large intersection with "unsalvageable". Where the Q could be a member of both sets "unsalvageable" should take precedence because asking an editor to invest time is asking an editor to waste their time.

Based on the comments on this Q it looks like there might be a problem here. In my view that's not an issue with the review bans system (which actually seems to have picked a great audit), but with the information and guidance given to reviewers in this queue.

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    Yes, this! Can someone please, please make this more visible for users of the triage queue? Still the usage of Requires editing is not clear to many reviewers - Instead of blaming the stupidity of the reviewers, we might as well try to make it as easy as possible for them to get guides on how to review correctly.
    – cel
    Commented Feb 6, 2016 at 18:27
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    It would also help if questions in Requires Editing had an option of "This question should be closed and whoever sent this question here should be reeducated." Flagging it as VLQ is usually not correct.
    – Teepeemm
    Commented Feb 7, 2016 at 20:42
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    That's an interesting use of the the word "remember" in the sentence that begins "What you've got to remember in triage...", given that there's no reason to think that the OP has forgotten anything. I guess that "remember" must have a complicated alternate form I've never encountered which means have learned by reading Meta (because this flatly contradicts the guidance in the UI which is very explicit that "Requires Editing" is the correct choice for questions that can be edited into shape by the author and that "Unsalvageable" is only for questions which "must" be removed from the site).
    – Mark Amery
    Commented Sep 11, 2017 at 11:53
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    (Of course, I recognise that Flexo notes this very point in the final paragraph of his answer. It's a great shame that nothing has been done to fix this in the year and a half since.)
    – Mark Amery
    Commented Sep 11, 2017 at 11:56
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Audits and review bans are the only automated way the site has to review and instruct reviewers. So the best approach to this is to learn from it, as we all do every time we review review bans.

Essentially, if a post has a problem statement and an attempt to provide the information needed to make the question answerable, but it may have formatting problems or rewording for clarity, and it can be edited by the community to be on topic for the site, then this is an editable post.

If the question gives a clear problem statement and none of the details needed to reproduce it, there is no amount of editing by the community that can fix it.

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    Right. "Close as unclear" and let OP do the editing.
    – Floris
    Commented Feb 6, 2016 at 18:32
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The same thing happens to me time to time. If you haven't made many mistakes, you can get a 2 day ban. If you have made more, you get week. Not a big deal.

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    You are not answering the question! -1, read the question properly. Commented Feb 7, 2016 at 3:50
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    If you are getting review bans regularly, it's not okay... Commented Feb 7, 2016 at 12:44
  • @JanDvorak I don't get them that regularly, but once in awhile I don't fully read whatever. Something like, there's a question hidden in a bunch of run-won sentence. Occasionally I even hit the wrong flag. Commented Feb 7, 2016 at 19:54

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