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I'm happy to help if needed (DuckDuckGo staff).

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    Corporate name branding is far off the horizon of programmer concerns. Ask for a synonym instead, keeps everybody happy and doesn't reactivate a bunch of questions that don't need the reviews. Commented Jan 13, 2016 at 11:14
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    There are eight (8) questions in this tag, and I just nominated two of them for closing. Is this really worth our attention?
    – tripleee
    Commented Jan 13, 2016 at 12:16
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    @tripleee It's actually a good thing that there are only a few questions: it will be easier and faster to fix it. Commented Jan 13, 2016 at 15:11
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    @tripleee Yes, I had to be brought up on meta. I just attempted to create the tag, and I was presented with a message telling me to go to meta. "You are attempting to create the tag [duckduckgo]; however the tag [duck-duck-go] already exists! If you think this new tag should be allowed, raise it on meta." See: i.sstatic.net/J8zbw.png Commented Jan 13, 2016 at 15:31
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    If someone would have renamed it instead of asking whether it is worth our time, it might have been done by now.
    – thedanotto
    Commented Jan 14, 2016 at 0:43
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    I think duckduckgo is actually pretty difficult to read because of it being all lowercase. CamelCase is much easier to parse. Commented Jan 14, 2016 at 1:07
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    @AmaniKilumanga: Have you found any upper-case letters in any tagname yet? Commented Jan 14, 2016 at 1:10
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    I've just checked: MathML -> mathml, reStructuredText -> restructuredtext, OpenGL -> opengl. So despite my initial hesitation, I think DuckDuckGo -> duckduckgo would only be consistent. I didn't do enough research to feel comfortable posting this as an answer yet.
    – 5gon12eder
    Commented Jan 14, 2016 at 1:18
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    @thedanotto nobody is forced to any participation in meta. If you don't have the time, it's fine! But don't limit things based on your time frame. Asking this kind of question is really fine. Commented Jan 14, 2016 at 17:41
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    This discussion hurt to read. Rename the tag for the sake of consistency. A consistent method of organization suitable for posts relative to categories said post would fall under is quite literally one of the main points...of a tagging system... Saying that it's hard to read is personal preference. It should not be a deciding factor in deviating from the system norm.
    – RayGe
    Commented Jan 14, 2016 at 17:46
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    Aren't 62 upvotes for a post about eight questions somewhat... odd? Commented Jan 14, 2016 at 17:47
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    @Bill yeah, I'm flabbergasted.
    – user4639281
    Commented Jan 14, 2016 at 17:51
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    It's an interesting question, given that DDG is a bit of an underdog, and asking politely to do something that most people don't think is worth the time. I've upvoted. Commented Jan 14, 2016 at 18:05
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    62 up votes (now 76) for a category with 8 questions, probably people like me who saw this in the sidebar, clicked it out of curiosity and said "Why the F* didn't someone just do this?" Seriously, it makes sense on every level and the request was even worded politely.
    – Ogre Codes
    Commented Jan 14, 2016 at 18:47
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    An organization has an obligation to maintain their trademark in order to legally preserve it. Stack-Over-Flow should recognize this. I've upvoted simply because I dislike seeing bureaucracy intentionally and effortfully interposed in place of actual helpful effort.
    – shannon
    Commented Jan 14, 2016 at 19:40

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There are a simple reason why this needs moderator intervention, or at very least a well crafter plan... more accurately The Plan™.

The tag system tries very hard to prevent people from creating useless tags, we warn users before creating a tag, prevent tag creation which differs of only the last 's' (like plural vs singular of some words) and, like in this case, prevents people from creating the same tag twice with the only difference being dashes (-). So, if right now someone wants to create the , it will be presented with a error message:

You are attempting to create the tag [duckduckgo]; however the tag [duck-duck-go] already exists! If you think this new tag should be allowed, raise it on meta

Instead of trying to rename the tag from duck-duck-go to duckduckgo, lets do it The Right Way™. Stack Overflow isn't company/product aware, we may use the tags with the same name as the product (the company is a big no-no) so users can identify what you are referencing to easily.

But, like in this case, DuckDuckGo the search engine, as search engine, isn't relevant in any programing context, what we, programmers, are interested with is what we can use programmatically, be it libraries, binaries, ABI, or, like in this case, API's. Which is my motivation for a counter-proposal: don't rename to , but rename it to . This has the advantage that can be done by any user that can create tags (1.5k+), doesn't need moderator intervention (as it doesn't even trips the tag creation error), or a well timed removal of tags circa 00:00 UTC (which is a pain and you can miss the window).

If nobody has any problem, this should be a-go.

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    Suffixing every API with -api isn't all that useful though... Commented Jan 14, 2016 at 19:57
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    @Deduplicator I prefer it that way, since eternity we have the problem of being mistaken as costumer support of that product/company
    – Braiam
    Commented Jan 14, 2016 at 19:59
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    @Deduplicator It's not useful when there is no non-API product to consider. When the non-API product is more well known than the API, well...
    – jpmc26
    Commented Jan 14, 2016 at 21:50
  • So we'll do that because there is no moderator available for this issue? Commented Jan 15, 2016 at 10:09
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    The API is one of a few DuckDuckGo programmer-related products, for example there are questions on Stack Overflow about the DuckPAN toolchain (for creating Instant Answers) and DuckDuckGo custom search box. Making sure I understand this correctly, the proposal would be to remove the existing duck-duck-go tag and add product-specific tags as necessary, e.g. duckduckgo-api, duckduckgo-search (or duckduckgo-custom-search), duckduckgo-duckpan (or perhaps just duckpan). Is that a correct understanding? And if so, do others agree?
    – tagawa
    Commented Jan 15, 2016 at 13:17
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    @tagawa personally, that would be ideal.
    – Braiam
    Commented Jan 15, 2016 at 16:08
  • Thank you for The Plan. I wasn't aware of the company name rule and tagging by product turns out to be better all round.
    – tagawa
    Commented Jan 18, 2016 at 7:00
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This question has now over 100 up-votes and only 5 down-votes so far. As I've already commented, using hyphens to separate words in names that are originally written in CamelCase is not the general practice (cf , , , …). It are only eight questions and the change is not likely to do any serious harm.

I'm not sure what we're waiting for any more.

The tag system won't let us create a tag until goes away. Therefore, if there are no immediate objections, I'll do what Braiam suggested and re-tag all questions to use a not-so-similar tag like . Then, after the old tag has been auto-deleted, I'll re-tag the questions again to which should then be possible.

If you think that this double-re-tagging is a bad idea just to overcome the restrictions of the tagging systems, please flag this post for moderator attention so they can make it happen directly.

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  • Thanks for the offer. I was giving it a bit more time to get feedback on my product-specific tags comment. As there's been no objection I've just created duckduckgo-api and duckduckgo-search which cover the existing questions and are consistent with other tags, e.g. for Google products. Also, because of the no-company-tags rule it's probably OK not to have a general duckduckgo tag.
    – tagawa
    Commented Jan 18, 2016 at 6:53
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    @tagawa Alright, I think that this is a fine solution, too.
    – 5gon12eder
    Commented Jan 18, 2016 at 7:00

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