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I just had an experience very much like the one described in I answered a question, he accepted it, and then he deleted the question!

I saw a question that looked a bit broad, but not extremely bad. After asking for clarification and getting some I decided to go on and answer, since some knowledge could be gained from it. The OP was a brand new user, so I had to go on and on asking for clarifications for a while. Nicely, we finally got the solution and the problem was solved. Hurray!

To my surprise, not very long after saying that that my answer works, the user deleted the whole question leaving myself with a dirty feeling of having been used : )

Is there anything I can do? Should I foresee these help vampires?

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    Something smells fishy. They explicitly thanked you, then deleted the question. Perhaps they wanted to avoid being caught by someone?
    – Makoto
    Commented Nov 10, 2015 at 18:38
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    Some new users don't realize that the questions are for the future. Pretty sure if you flag for mod attention and explain the situation, it will be undeleted. (Or it likely will from meta effect now that you've posted this.)
    – Kendra
    Commented Nov 10, 2015 at 18:38
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    @Kendra: This is one of those weird Meta-effect scenarios: the question would likely be undeleted, but the question itself is unclear and poorly worded, so it may wind up being closed and/or deleted again.
    – Makoto
    Commented Nov 10, 2015 at 18:40
  • OK, it's undeleted. Commented Nov 10, 2015 at 18:41
  • @Makoto I couldn't tell. :) Guess I really should work on getting up to 10k if I want to see these things before they're undeleted!
    – Kendra
    Commented Nov 10, 2015 at 18:44
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    Funny, I watched that whole thing go down. That question came up in the review queue, I downvoted and was typing up a comment when you guys started commenting back and forth.
    – matt.
    Commented Nov 10, 2015 at 18:46
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    @enki.dev yes I in fact casted initially a vote to close as "too broad" but then started seeing it a bit clearer.
    – fedorqui
    Commented Nov 10, 2015 at 19:04
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    I've edited the question; perhaps now it will be seen in a better light by users.
    – TylerH
    Commented Nov 10, 2015 at 19:42
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    @TylerH yours is a very good edit. Now the question shines : )
    – fedorqui
    Commented Nov 10, 2015 at 21:58
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    In my impression, "help vampire" seems not refer to scenarios that delete questions after getting answers described above.
    – ggrr
    Commented Nov 11, 2015 at 9:12
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    @amuse it depends really. Someone who is selfish enough to just delete a question to get rid of downvotes certainly has HV tendencies. Its all about me-me-me. It doesn't look like a question asked by a student who then wants to cover their tracks.
    – Gimby
    Commented Nov 11, 2015 at 11:54
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    Sounds like a homework-cheater trying to cover her/his tracks. Commented Nov 12, 2015 at 2:36
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    Some people treat support forums like their own personal conversation with the person at the other end. On our product support forum we often had people ask a question, and then when it was answered they would edit the original post, remove the original question and ask something completely different (or just replace it with "Thanks!"). Very strange behavior. Eventually we just disabled editing. Commented Nov 12, 2015 at 3:01

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Odd that your question hasn't received an answer, given that judging from the comments above several people obviously have useful insight to share. Well, comments on Meta are AFAIK rarely if ever purged, but for posterity's sake even so…


Is there anything I can do?

A detailed flag on the question for the moderator is one thing you can try. Especially if the scenario is blatant, where the OP has posted a comment that clearly states that your answer did in fact address their question usefully (e.g. "thanks! your answer worked!" or some such), I would expect a moderator would gladly undelete the question. Just be sure to explain clearly in the flag what happened, including the comment.

Another option, as you've found, is to round up community members and ask them (directly or indirectly) to help by voting to undelete the question. You can do this with a Meta post (as here) or in a relevant chat room, for example.

In either case, IMHO it is important to consider the value of the question. We should not always answer questions, as poorly-written questions are hard for others to find in searches and may confuse those who do find them, even if there are any good answers posted for the question. If you find a poorly-written question that you can answer, and believe it could be useful, then you should edit the question to improve it; ensure that the question is as comprehensible to everyone else as it was to you, if not more so.

Fortunately, all of the above has been done in this case. So your immediate problem was solved before you even received an actual answer to the question. :)


Should I foresee these help vampires?

"Nobody expects the Inqui^H^H^H^H^H Help Vampire!"

Seriously though, no. How could you foresee anything like that, except on a probability basis? Certainly help vampires tend to have the worst questions. Composition is bad, grammar is bad, formatting is bad, code example is bad, etc. But these are just clues. There are badly written questions by well-intentioned and conscientious people, and there are probably even help vampires out there who can put a complete grammatically correct sentence together.

There is nothing you can do in advance to know whether someone is actually going to turn out to be a help vampire. All you can do is assume the best, and not let it get to you if something goes wrong.


(By the way: extrapolating from the first several pages of my answers it looks to me as though roughly 10% of my answers received zero feedback from the OP; no votes up or down, nor an "accept". Now, I grant that at least some of those, maybe I goofed and the OP was too nice to give me an honest downvote when they should have. But I'll bet that at least half of those were genuinely useful answers, for which the OP just ignored.

Frankly, a 5% rate of failure of original posters seems pretty good to me, in the context of the Internet. Just goes to show how Stack Overflow actually does a pretty good job encouraging good behavior :) )

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    We are the Unsung Heroes
    – Tas
    Commented Nov 11, 2015 at 21:13
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    Very nice and useful answer, thanks a lot.... Oh damn I cannot delete my question now :D
    – fedorqui
    Commented Nov 11, 2015 at 21:28
  • @Tas: indeed. Though, it turns out I think I may have missed my window of opportunity for that badge. When I browse through the list of people who have it, they are generally relatively lower-rep users with a small enough number of answers that the law of averages hasn't caught up with them yet. I.e. the badge requires a full 25% of one's answers be zero-score accepted answers, but given that way more than 75% of SO users understand that accepted answers are usually also useful, with a large enough sample size, getting to 25% is just very improbable. Commented Nov 12, 2015 at 0:07
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They do this, because after the answer gets an upvote, or the question has at least two answers, they aren't able to delete it any more.

It results in their questions getting downvotes, close votes, etc, and they won't be able to delete it.

Most of the question deleters fear only from this phenomenon.

Stack Exchange is hard for anybody not knowing its rules well enough.

This phenomenon is only the result of many years of uncontrolled newbie harassment so common on this site.


Note: A solution would be if the OPs could delete their questions only if it was deeply downvoted. I don't hope that the Stack Exchange will do anything in this direction.

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  • The good folks that try to help posters, in turn, are harassed as well.
    – Jongware
    Commented Oct 8, 2016 at 21:53
  • @RadLexus No, I am thinking on goodstanding newbie questions getting good quality and meaningful questions. Also they are harassed a lot here, without any meaningful reason. Your example is a bad example, because it is a bad question, what deserves the downs.
    – peterh
    Commented Oct 8, 2016 at 21:57
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    Sorry, then I don't understand your point. Not every "newbie" barges in on Stack Overflow and drops his homework question - I have seen lots of insightful good questions from new users. "New to SO" does not equal "new to programming"! I cannot recall a single occasion where a good question got downvoted because it came from a new user.
    – Jongware
    Commented Oct 8, 2016 at 22:00
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    @RadLexus I can... I can.
    – peterh
    Commented Oct 8, 2016 at 22:00
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    So there are hordes of innocent, blameless askers, who are carefully exploiting the precise rules (can delete question with one answer; can't with two) and the differences of opinion between different groups of SO users (is this question worth answering or not?) in order to get answers without leaving any trace to be criticized, yet are only doing so because they've been misunderstood in the past and don't know the rules very well. Certainly not because they just want an answer for themselves and don't care tuppence for SO's goal of shared reference material. Commented Oct 8, 2016 at 22:23
  • @NathanTuggy I think it would be a good filter to allow asking questions only after the OPs have some upvoted answers. From example, binding the "ask question" privilege to a very minimal reputation (2?). And, if a question is deeply downvoted, the OP should be allowed to delete it. And, if there is an ask-del misuse, the 10k+ users should be able to undelete the question. Banning the OP from asking new questions is a bad solution, they are new users so they lose nothing by registering a new account and continuing the same behavior.
    – peterh
    Commented Oct 8, 2016 at 22:25
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    @peterh: Well, MSE did experiment with requiring 2 rep for questions; even there, the one site most likely to work (arguably), there were problems, and the requirement was removed as soon as the flood of off-topic questions ceased. Commented Oct 8, 2016 at 22:31
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    @NathanTuggy Ok. So, there is the problem of the sticked questions, i.e. if your question got some downs, but you can't delete it because it has already an upvoted answer. And as time goes, it gets newer and newer downs, and you can't do anything. The only possibility to avoid this problem if you delete your question on the spot after it got the first answer.
    – peterh
    Commented Oct 8, 2016 at 22:35
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    @peterh: "I might get downvoted by people who think they know the site better than me, but I know they're wrong to do so, so I'm going to prevent them from doing that by wiping everything out as soon as I've gotten what I need" is a distinctly arrogant, anti-intellectual, and self-centered attitude that I don't think is worth us enabling. Commented Oct 8, 2016 at 22:43
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    @NathanTuggy No. "I made a bad question, I would be glad to delete it but they don't allow to clean my name" <- this is what they see from that, and they are right. If a question is deeply downvoted, the OP should be allowed to delete it, only to clean his name. If the question is not downvoted (or not deeply), the 10k+ users should be allowed to revert an ask-del misuse by undelete votes. So simple is it, and I am absolutely not surprised that nobody wants even to try to understand it.
    – peterh
    Commented Oct 8, 2016 at 23:02
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    @peterh, if they have learned from their early questions, they most likely have a high enough score by now that it doesn't really matter if they get downvoted. They might try editing their question to at least fix up the formatting and content as much as possible to stave off some downvotes even if the question is fundamentally flawed. How do we keep quality high, though, if no one moderates anything? Not only that, my 3 questions I now feel are fundamentally flawed, but they didn't get even a single downvote.
    – oldtechaa
    Commented Oct 9, 2016 at 20:43
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    If you ever feel that ashamed of a question, you can unlink it from your username: How do I remove my name from a post, in accordance with CC:WIKI?.
    – fedorqui
    Commented Oct 11, 2016 at 8:51
  • @fedorqui Thank you very much! It helps in my case. But, afaik, I knew this possibility only after years of SE experience, I think most of the new users don't know it, and thus asking from a different account, and deleting the question on the spot after the first, is still a working defensive strategy for them, against the sticked questions. Note, I absolutely don't feel myself ashamed by my downvoted meta questions, and the revenge downs on the main sites weren't enough hard for that until now. I only notice the phenomenon, and produce further good, but deeply downvoted meta posts.
    – peterh
    Commented Oct 11, 2016 at 17:11
  • @oldtechaa Editing old questions helps only a little bit, an edit doesn't produce enough attention. The main problem with it that they still can see as the newer and newer downs are coming and they can't do anything. It is a very unpleasant experience for a new user, and honestly I can absolutely understand that they start this harmful behavior. Once I did with my this (ok, on serverfault) sticked question, that I initiated its closure many times to attract attention. It wasn't closed, but in around 3 tries I collected enough ups to compensate.
    – peterh
    Commented Oct 11, 2016 at 17:16
  • @oldtechaa I simply didn't know that I could ask the team to disassociate from my account. From the same reason, I played this ask-del behavior on the meta SE for a while (although I deleted the question only if its first vote was a down). [Note: the downs wasn't removed even for the attracted attention, only new ups came.] I think, at least this disassociation mechanism should be an automatized and a better known possibility for sticked questions.
    – peterh
    Commented Oct 11, 2016 at 17:17

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