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The question is as in the title. One vote obviously can't be serial. A couple dozen of votes in 1 minute obviously are. Still, as per https://meta.stackoverflow.com/a/275330/719662

2 votes against you from one person generally is not seen as a serial vote by the system.

and, as per What happens when vote fraud gets past the script?, quote

We get a lot of people who get two or three downvotes and then go off flagging their post complaining about "serial downvoting" - this is pretty much a waste of everyone's time.

Maybe it's a waste of time, maybe it ain't. Story time:

It has happened to me a couple of times during the last few years that I got serial-downvoted with 2-3 vote packs. The "culprits" were completely different users, yet the modus operandi was the same: they were well aware that more votes would trigger the script (AFAIR in one case it was user's 2nd attempt, after a previous vote reversal by script), so they waited a some time, about a week, after an initial disagreement with me, and then threw two or three votes on my questions (there ain't many of them, and I seldom get downvotes, so the results are quite visible to me) in rapid succession.

The story ends here. Those users obviously "got their revenge", and, as of today, all left me alone after that. I haven't been able to connect the dots till I read this - thankfully, none of the people who downvoted me were persistent enough to do what Andrea describes vs me - but I noticed A downvote a day keeps the reversal-script away and came to a conclusion. (also, thanks to gnat I also found Spiteful downvoting? Two fast DVs to my unrelated posts)

Current voting-reversal system is well known to people. Since they know it, they can game it - and they do. OTOH, my opinion is, that if we allow (per written or unwritten rules) any kind of serial downvoting to happen (be it 2 or 3 votes in sequence), we're basically saying "yeah, you can serial-downvote people, but you have to do it gracefully & patiently, so that we won't have to act against you on the grounds of not wasting our time" - this just enables the user to repeat it, and since he can game the rules, he will repeat this behaviour, sooner or later.

Still, I'm not a mod nor a community admin, and that's only my personal opinion.

So, the exact question goes as follows:

(assuming the downvoting bothers me for whatever reason) when should I raise the mod flag or send a community report, so that it won't be considered "a waste of (moderator) time" or "not a pattern, due to being a single occurrence of user's action"?

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    The limit is not going to be revealed, because once it is, people can easily do just enough to not cross the threshold. As for when to flag, this is brought up in other answers about serial voting, including in the faq post.
    – Kendra
    Commented Oct 22, 2015 at 21:16
  • @Kendra people already do so - that's why I'm asking when should I report, not what's the limit. Also, I've read the FAQ and related posts a couple of times, and find no clear indication of answer to my problem.
    – user719662
    Commented Oct 22, 2015 at 21:18
  • Your title asks (indirectly) what the limit is. And I was finding the answer to "when should I report" as that's been answered before.
    – Kendra
    Commented Oct 22, 2015 at 21:18
  • @Kendra sigh IFTFY, I've added the missing two words to the title.
    – user719662
    Commented Oct 22, 2015 at 21:19
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    Yes, I've had these little packets of 2 downvotes too. Since they are on old, dead questions of mine and both happened at the same time, it's obviously malicious. I don't particularly care about -4, but it must be intensely annoying to lower rep users:( Not sure what could be done.. Commented Oct 22, 2015 at 21:19
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    If you don't see in the faq what your answer is, allow me to point it out for you. "...but if in the unlikely event it doesn't clear them all wait 24 hours and should any suspicious down-votes remain flag one of the posts for moderator attention using the "other" option and explain what happened." (emphasis original)
    – Kendra
    Commented Oct 22, 2015 at 21:19
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    @Kendra I've done that, and received "Sorry, but I don't see any obvious pattern here." (in the exact case of the flag raised to the last encounter of this)
    – user719662
    Commented Oct 22, 2015 at 21:20
  • If that's what the mods answered, then they looked into it and saw no signs of a voting pattern. They have tools to see more information about it than we do.
    – Kendra
    Commented Oct 22, 2015 at 21:21
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    @vaxquis - in that case it probably wasn't a pattern. If it happens again it may well indicate that has become a pattern and as such it will be dealt with.
    – ChrisF Mod
    Commented Oct 22, 2015 at 21:21
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    @MartinJames it's a well known thing, see Spiteful downvoting? Two fast DVs to my unrelated posts
    – gnat
    Commented Oct 22, 2015 at 21:22
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    @gnat thank you for your link, good to see the problem was raised elsewhere too!
    – user719662
    Commented Oct 22, 2015 at 21:23
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    I've been targeted several times by slow-voters. Because, you know, I'm a complete a-hole and totally deserve it. None of them however ever kept it up for more than two months. It does require true dedication to teaching, not many have the patience or the aptitude. Commented Oct 22, 2015 at 21:29
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    Not a dupe. It does not address the specific question at the bottom of this post.
    – Jan Doggen
    Commented Nov 17, 2017 at 10:40
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    I agree with @JanDoggen - voting to Leave Open. The other question asks when the system considers it serial downvoting, which is deliberately kept secret. This question is when we should report suspicious downvoting. Commented Nov 28, 2017 at 7:43

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We have more tools available to us that just the "serial voting" scripts. While these find (and reverse) the most egregious cases of serial voting without the need for human interaction there are cases that slip through or are being done in such a way to attempt to avoid the scripts.

When we find such cases the votes are invalidated and the user warned about their behaviour.

If you think that you are being targeted then raise a flag on one of your posts and we'll look into it and deal with it appropriately. However, given the size of Stack Overflow there is no way that anyone (including moderators) could say that "two or three votes cast on the exact same time" are a pattern or not. Yes they could be, but by the "law of averages" it could be three different people voting at the same time.

A single incident could be just a coincidence. However, if it's repeated several times then it's starting to look more like a pattern. Please don't be so quick to assume that every down-vote is part of a campaign against you.

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    speaking of averages - on SO, I've got a total of 4 downvotes on all my questions, covering the last 4 & half year. Of those 4, 2 were cast at the exact same time, a couple of days after I replied to a downvoter on one of my answers. Should I calculate the chance that of the ~2365000 minutes of my SO activity, two random people select the first two of my questions, each one selects the other, and completely randomly cast those two on the exact same minute?
    – user719662
    Commented Oct 22, 2015 at 21:43
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    Of course it's malicious, I'd stake my rep on it, (assuming the serial downvoters leave me with any:). Commented Oct 23, 2015 at 1:31
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    So in other words, moderators dont give enough care if someone has lost like 10 points by serial downvoting just because its not a pattern
    – Ghasem
    Commented Feb 8, 2020 at 9:38

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