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A few weeks ago, we came to meta with an idea called Teams.

For those who didn’t read the first post (we can’t blame you: it was a long read!), the idea behind Teams is to give users of Stack Overflow a way to showcase their team projects and achievements on a shared page and check out what other teams are building.

We also shared longer term ideas for Teams, including Q&A, job openings, and — yes — following (more on that below).

First, we’d like to thank everyone who took the time to add answers and comments, or sign up for the private beta. Your feedback is valuable and we appreciate it. There were a number of questions and concerns, and we’d like to address those here.

What problem(s) are we trying to solve?

Teams started from an observation that one of the most common use cases for the About Me section of the user profile on Stack Overflow is to showcase your projects and achievements, which breaks down when...

  • … A majority of your programming work is done as a Team. Individual user profiles have trouble reflecting this (after all, your profile is about you). With Teams, we’d like to make it easier for you to show your association with others on the projects you work on.

  • … Your programming work isn’t mono-dimensional. You probably have a day job, but you may also contribute to one or two open-source projects, or be a member of a handful of user groups or communities. With Teams, we’d like to give you an easier way to represent your role in all these different things in a more structured way (rather than flattening all this information in your individual profile).

In their initial iteration, a Team will simply be a page on Stack Overflow where a group of developers can tell the community about who they are and showcase their best work. Just like a user profile, but for multiple people (i.e. a free form about section, links to your website, GitHub, Twitter, and a team roster).

Teams are not a new site. They’re much more modest:

The initial Teams page will be place for you share about your team, what you build, and your team members.

Who are Teams for?

We envision Teams to be used for professional teams, open-source projects, user groups, or even programming communities endemic to Stack Overflow working towards a common goal (e.g. organizing question lists, analyzing Stack Overflow data, writing bots, etc.).

So far, it’s encouraging to see that a wide range of teams that have signed up for the private beta. We’ve had companies (some large, some small), major open-source projects, single-person OSS projects (e.g. YouCast), user groups (e.g. Git, Docker), and even Stack Overflow communities (e.g. sopython).

Of course, you might be wondering, "but why would my Team ever want to showcase its work on Stack Overflow?" In the original meta post, we heard:

  • My team already has a company or project website.

  • I’m just not interested.

In any case, that’s fine: Teams are functionally and socially optional, and you won’t need to be a member of a Team to participate on Stack Overflow (you don’t have to check out anyone else’s Team, either).

What about authenticating teams?

Regarding authenticity, it’s already a hypothetical problem on Stack Overflow (e.g. you can easily pretend to be Guido Van Rossum if you want to), but it hasn’t been a practical problem.

We realize that just like user profiles, Teams as a feature must be resilient to misinformation and trolling. In the short term, we might surface user reputation on Team pages as a solution to communicate trustworthiness. In the longer term, we’d like to explore other ways to establish trustworthiness for Teams (maybe including "verified" Teams), but it’s too early to talk about those in detail.

What about teams disparaging other Teams / offensive content / spam?

The same argument applies here as well. Users can already disparage others and post offensive content on their user profile, but this hasn’t been a major problem on Stack Overflow so far.

For the most egregious cases (i.e. offensive content), Teams will have to support some form of flagging and moderation. We still have some work to do here (and we need to ensure we don’t create more work for our moderators), so we’re not quite ready to discuss the details.

As far as the private beta is concerned, we’ll take on moderation ourselves. Moderation tools will however be an integral part of our work as we move towards public beta.

What about conflicts within teams?

Dealing with conflict is inherently a personal thing, and it’s difficult to anticipate how we’ll deal with conflicts we haven’t seen yet (and maybe they won’t even be a problem — one can always hope!).

Either way, we understand that this is probably a problem we’ll have to deal with sooner or later. We think it’s reasonable to go into private beta without a more detailed strategy (as noted above, we’ll take on moderation ourselves for now), but we’ll make sure to return to meta and discuss this before we launch into public beta.

Can you be a member of multiple teams?

Yes.

Is this for Stack Overflow only?

For the time being, yes. We’ll consider expanding Teams to other Stack Exchange communities based on how successful it is on Stack Overflow.

Is Stack Overflow becoming a social network?

No. One fear that was raised in the comments was that Teams introduces a way for users to form around non-programming interests on Stack Overflow. While these interests may apply to a wide range of developers (gaming, books, movies, etc.), that is not our intention with Teams.

Our intention is that Teams will form around programming-related groups (companies, open-source projects, or programming communities endemic to Stack Overflow). We don’t want to encourage groups which form around non-programming related topics (that’s what the broader Stack Exchange network is for!). If this becomes an issue, then we will address it.

Okay. Now as far as "following" goes, this is a mistake on our part; we jumped the gun here. Originally we thought of “following” as a feature we might introduce later on if we added Team job openings. That is, if you’re interested in a Team, then you could be notified when they post new jobs.

At some point we started thinking that "following" could be expanded to possibly other team content. To be honest, we didn’t really think it all the way through; thanks for bringing it up in the meta responses.

Following won’t exist until we have job openings on Team pages (more on that below). Once we do, following (which is probably not the best name for this feature) will only be used to be notified of new openings. We don’t have further plans around following at this time.

How is Team Q&A going to work?

Judging from the feedback we received on Team Q&A, we realize we have a lot more thinking to do (e.g. a better idea of what content is acceptable and why, a plan to ensure Teams aren’t used for spam, a strategy to address abandoned Teams).

Team Q&A wasn’t going to be a part of the beta (we hoped to ship it in Q1 next year), so we have time to revisit and perhaps rethink it (maybe with an emphasis around product and end-user support). In hindsight, we probably should have made that clearer in the initial announcement.

Team Q&A may be complex enough to deserve its own beta. We’ll return to meta when we have thought through some of the issues surrounding it. Once again, thank you for highlighting the issues we need to explore further.

Is this an attempt to integrate the Careers product with Stack Overflow?

It’s not our only goal (we think Teams can be useful for groups that aren’t going to use our Careers products, such as OSS projects), but it is indeed one of them. Here’s why:

If you’ve been around Stack Overflow for a while (even a short one), you probably noticed a few folks you admire. If they took the time to fill out their profile, you might also know what they work on, and you might even want to work with them if the opportunity arises.

On the flipside, they might be looking to hire someone like you (they might even be hiring on Stack Overflow’s Careers platform). But, you don’t know that, because developer hiring is broken, and relegates to an afterthought some of the things that matter the most in a development job: who you’ll work with, and on what projects.

Teams is thus our attempt to cut to the chase and let you start your job search with a team and its projects (which is a bit similar to how you might become interested in a job at a conference or meetup, after watching someone present their work).

In that regard, Teams are something we’re building upon the foundation of Stack Overflow Q&A. They don’t change Q&A. Teams are something new that you can decide to be a part of if you’d like, but we won’t expect you to be a member of a Team in order to participate fully in the Stack Overflow Q&A you love.

Nonetheless, we do realize that many of you are concerned that pain points in Q&A aren’t getting solved because our engineering resources are diverted towards projects like Teams. We agree, and it’s why we’re transitioning members from the Careers team to the Core team to help work on those new projects (Roberta was our first developer to transition, I did so too).


That’s all we have for now. I’m sure there will be more questions and comments. As we move into this private beta phase, we’ll learn more and have more answers for you. Once again, thank you to everyone who’s provided feedback so far. We appreciate the passion you have for Stack Overflow and its community.

You can still sign up for the private beta.

The private beta will start soon (end of October). If you would like to help us test this, please sign up at the form link below. We will need to know the following things about you:

  1. Your Stack Overflow profile URL

  2. Your email address

  3. Your team name

  4. Your team size (team size especially helps us because we will want to see how teams of varying sizes will utilize the team page).

Sign up for the private beta

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    This makes the new feature seems better suited for the community now. Gotta love the built-in feedback engine that is meta.
    – ryanyuyu
    Commented Oct 22, 2015 at 16:16
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    -1 I still don't see any value added with this social feature. Aside from you guys putting a careers type feature into stackoverflow and burdening it.
    – JonH
    Commented Oct 22, 2015 at 16:42
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    This looks like it has some real potential, unfortunately I don't see myself using it at all. I'm just not getting how this helps me. I'd say this looks like a solution in search of a problem, but I'm guessing that it's just me (as usual) and that based on the feedback you received others find this something they'd use often.
    – j08691
    Commented Oct 22, 2015 at 16:43
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    @j08691 - It's not just a problem for you, its for a LOT of folks on SO. Just look at the other post. I personally find this a feature that disrupts SO in general.
    – JonH
    Commented Oct 22, 2015 at 16:46
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    @JonH: Part of the goal of teams is that it not disrupt the workflow of people not interested in team pages. I think we will learn a lot in the private beta about how to achieve that goal. The biggest unknown that I see is that team pages might impact moderators (who are already overworked). We just won't know how that will play out until we get some actual teams using the feature.
    – Jon Ericson Staff
    Commented Oct 22, 2015 at 17:24
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    "We get some actual teams using the feature" but what is that "Actual Teams" I don't know about you but I highly doubt anyone is going to get all of their co-workers to join a team or branch into teams just because of their likes? I mean to me this is social networking - and for a site like this it's asinine. I mean you guys have posted twice about this and none of it is convincing. Is this like GitHub where developers become "Contributors". You guys keep saying the key word "think" this tells me and others that you guys don't even know what this is.
    – JonH
    Commented Oct 22, 2015 at 17:27
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    @j08691 We (I work on this with Hynes) understand that Teams aren't going to be immediately useful to everyone on SO (that's a tall order!). We hope to start building some structure around Team pages (which can be compelling as-is to some users, but not necessarily to a majority), and progressively add new features to make them compelling to more people (e.g. maybe by addressing the support use case Shog mentioned in his response on the last post with Q&A, etc.). Exactly what those should be is undetermined as of yet (that's what the beta's for, among other things).
    – Thomas Orozco Staff
    Commented Oct 22, 2015 at 17:30
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    @ThomasOrozco - Why don't you guys spend the time fixing all the current issues with SE in general instead of making up some random features that your users are telling you you don't need. For instance, search is one prime example, why not build on that...search is pivotal in any application - especially one like this. The current search engine and search UI in general lacks. Stop building features and start improving the user experience and core important things related to questions such as search. If you can make search solid people won't even bother searching google.
    – JonH
    Commented Oct 22, 2015 at 17:42
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    So the main problem this feature solves is that it makes you able to showcase your team accomplishments. And then you tout that as not being socially motivated? I don't think showcasing personal achievements is a problem that Stack Overflow needs to solve, nor that developers in general have a problem with on a daily basis.
    – Travis J
    Commented Oct 22, 2015 at 17:45
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    @TravisJ - No one will use it...mark my words...the people that will use it will either be employees of the company or teams that no one will be interested and they'll fade away because programmers don't really care about this sort of stuff. Careers is the right place for this not stackoverflow.
    – JonH
    Commented Oct 22, 2015 at 17:46
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    You took the original response to heart and came up with a much more reasonable feature in both scope and presentation. I'm part of sopython, and while I'm still hesitant about this, I think at this point participating in the beta will be the most productive way to determine if it will be beneficial.
    – davidism
    Commented Oct 22, 2015 at 18:09
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    Folks, these things will exist, and they will be easy to discover, but nobody is going to be pushing "come join our team" down your throat, nor will we be pushing careers on anyone that has no interest there - beyond the job ads that you normally see, and have seen for quite a while. This stuff is there for you if you want or need it, it will not be getting in your way otherwise. I think we have a pretty good record that speaks for itself when it comes to not forcing anything on anyone that doesn't want it, starting in the very early days with reduced ads. Let's not imagine the worst?
    – user50049
    Commented Oct 22, 2015 at 18:46
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    I was one of the (somewhat) vocal critics on the original post, and I would like to say, that while some of my concerns still stand, I'd really like to thank the team for not blindly ignoring the community on this. I was (and I'm sure many others) concerned that the company would ignore the (frankly, quite large) backlash against the original posting, and that it would spell the beginning of the end of the great record of dialogue between the company and the community. I don't that that's the case anymore, so hooray!
    – Linuxios
    Commented Oct 22, 2015 at 18:49
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    @JonH We just finished collecting responses from that after chasing down folks that didn't reply, and we had the annual product summit fall right in the middle of that (which I failed to account / plan for). The final list is going out to our warehouse tomorrow. Some stuff was shipped, the rest of it is going out Monday / Tuesday of next week.
    – user50049
    Commented Oct 22, 2015 at 19:06
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    @ThomasOrozco: It just feels like were back to dialogue, rather than the other post, which felt like a battle. I'm still skeptical, and I do think that Travis got it right: "So the main problem this feature solves is that it makes you able to showcase your team accomplishments. And then you tout that as not being socially motivated?", however, I'm not really worried about SO as a whole anymore.
    – Linuxios
    Commented Oct 22, 2015 at 19:06

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Call it Projects.

I read your post and got a much better idea what problem "Teams" should solve. However, all you are writing about is showcasing work and displaying (open source) projects. If this feature was named "Projects", some of the concerns raised in the comments would be better addressed.

  • Can you work on multiple projects? instead of Can you be a member of multiple teams? (the answer is obvious and the same)
  • Is Stack Overflow becoming a social network? No, we care about content more than people.

In case you want to show your affiliation with an organisation, you can still put that in your (careers) profile.

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    But in some definitions project is something that needs to be done within limited scope for a set amount of time. Teams is not that, it is scoped but not within a set amount of time, right?
    – rene
    Commented Oct 22, 2015 at 21:12
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    @rene Hm, I didn't mean it in the management sense. I'd define a project primarily by its goal, not by a deadline.
    – Bergi
    Commented Oct 22, 2015 at 21:20
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    @TylerH: I don't see why every project would need to get "finished".
    – Bergi
    Commented Oct 22, 2015 at 21:42
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    Even if this isn't the perfect name, I think the possibility of rethinking the "branding" of the feature is worth considering - in the original post, a few unfortunate choices of words emphasised parts that are explicitly de-emphasised here. "Teams" do still sound very social to me, even now I know that's not what "Stack Overflow Teams" are intended to be.
    – IMSoP
    Commented Oct 22, 2015 at 21:51
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    @TylerH: Complete is hard to define. First major release? First point release? Something that doesn't have releases? Major open-source library that is still having major features built?
    – Linuxios
    Commented Oct 22, 2015 at 22:23
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    @TylerH: I've got many open-ended projects. Of course they have milestones that are completed and so, but the project doesn't really end until the product is no more used anywhere and the last bit of my code is rotten.
    – Bergi
    Commented Oct 22, 2015 at 22:24
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    A problem "teams" solves for Q&A is large companies finally getting it right by sending us a single contact to work with as they shift support over to SO properly. That's happening on a pretty big scale, I'm not sure if "projects" fits the use case as well. Not really saying it's a bad idea, just kinda thinking out loud.
    – user50049
    Commented Oct 22, 2015 at 23:08
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    @TimPost if company support contacts is a main goal, add the word "Support" to Bergi's "Projects"
    – charlietfl
    Commented Oct 23, 2015 at 2:15
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    @TimPost huh? Now we are all about one feature that was not even clearly spelled out in the original post? Are the Tellericks and AWSs of the world really reaching out to the SO staff and saying: "We want you to take over our Q&A, please." Given how terrible IBM's help for MQ Broker, now IBM Service Bus, and Clear Case/Quest are I would love to see it, but then why not just a branded version of SO, no Team necessary. Commented Oct 23, 2015 at 3:16
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    @TimPost Wait, so you're saying Teams is an attempt at making an official interface for 3rd party libraries/APIs to do bug support here?
    – TylerH
    Commented Oct 23, 2015 at 5:17
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    I find it funny that the objecters don't object to e.g. GNU being a "project". Do you expect it to finish? Soon? What exactly are the success criteria? Etc. The word has a broader meaning than in the strict line management lingo. (I'm not sure Teams isn't actually good enough, or possibly better -- like many others here, I don't really see the need for this feature, and don't care strongly what you choose to call it.)
    – tripleee
    Commented Oct 23, 2015 at 7:12
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    The sopython team has at least five bigger projects. Do you want us to create five minimal project pages now that contain little content when we actually want to highlight the persons that are part of the team?
    – poke
    Commented Oct 23, 2015 at 10:28
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    Support of products is an incidental goal, but also a nice one, It's just one problem teams helps to solve, not the main goal, just a use case that eases a bit of pain. Please don't read more into it than that :)
    – user50049
    Commented Oct 23, 2015 at 13:54
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    @TimPost funny, because it was the ONLY problem I saw that Teams might solve... Commented Oct 23, 2015 at 13:57
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    I have to agree with this. I think the fact that this is called Teams seem to carry an implicit secondary meaning that was fairly detrimental to this entire idea.
    – Zizouz212
    Commented Oct 25, 2015 at 0:09
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You still haven't answered what problem you are trying to solve, you've only addressed what Teams is meant to do. How will Teams benefit me?

Let's take this point by point:


...the user profile on Stack Overflow is to showcase your projects and achievements, which breaks down when...

How does showcasing projects and achievements break down?

What do you mean "break down"? Obviously the content is visible and rendered correctly. So what do you mean by "break down"? What goal is unachievable, considering there's enormous flexibility to include links, images and a large amount of text?

And how does your solution solve this "break down"? It seems the only usable addition you've provided is the ability to query these relationships, because the "About" page for projects doesn't look that different from the "About" page for profiles.


...programming work is done as a Team. Individual user profiles have trouble reflecting this...

What trouble, exactly, is encountered in reflecting that I work on a team?

It's not difficult, at all, to add "I work at XYZ" with a link to the company or project website. The proposed Teams feature does not have anywhere near the power or flexibility necessary to showcase the actual product (with about, demo and documentation pages) or to manage a team (with communication channels, backlogs, sprints or Gantt charts), so what exactly is the point of the Teams page other than to group some user profiles together? And what problem does that solve?


With Teams, we’d like to make it easier for you to show your association with others on the projects you work on.

What benefit is there to me to show my association with others? And this only works for other SO profiles, right?

Many of my co-workers don't have SO profiles. They aren't interested in SO profiles. So really I'll only be showcasing my association with other SO users. But why do I want to do that? What benefit is there for me? A company or project About page can easily list everyone involved on the project, with links to all of their social media profiles (Twitter, Facebook, Linked In, etc), so how would a separate, more limited and less representative "About" page on a different site help our team? It seems like any marginally successful project (in terms of usage) would quickly outgrow the very limited nature of Teams.


...we’d like to give you an easier way to represent your role in all these different things in a more structured way...

Why do I need a more structured representation of my various roles?

The use of "structured" points again to the seeming primary point of this project... to build a database. I don't see how such a database would provide any benefit to me.


In their initial iteration, a Team will simply be a page on Stack Overflow where a group of developers can tell the community about who they are and showcase their best work. Just like a user profile, but for multiple people (i.e. a free form about section, links to your website, GitHub, Twitter, and a team roster).

Conclusion

At least on a service like Facebook there is some trade off, in that providing structured data about my social network gives me access to tools that I can use to enhance communication, etc, within that network.

Teams doesn't seem to provide any real benefit to its users while giving SE all the goodies... a big database of relationships between users. While I don't necessarily have a problem with that (I like and trust SE, so I'm willing to give you that information), you're going to have to give me more of reason to provide and update this data than just "so you can show off". And more importantly, you're going to have provide some serious incentive if you expect my co-workers who don't have SO accounts to create accounts and agree to keeping our project page updated. Because time we spend on this feature is time not spent on our product.

I guess I just don't see "Individual user profiles have trouble reflecting programming work done as a Team" as a problem in and of itself. Individual user profiles also have trouble facilitating conversations between users (though it could theoretically be done).

So the question I'd like answered is: What problem are we addressing by creating a structured way of grouping Teams, beyond the problem that it's currently not possible to create a structured way of grouping teams.

Otherwise you're just saying that we should do something because we can't currently do it, which could be said of a lot of things on SE. (Or, put another way... why?)

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    Many of my co-workers don't have SO profiles. Perhaps the point is to convince them to make SO profiles through your "join my team---for completeness" nagging. Commented Oct 26, 2015 at 18:14
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    @Michael - Yes, that's the point... SO needs to provide a value prop for Teams beyond just "here's another thing you need to maintain."
    – JDB
    Commented Oct 26, 2015 at 18:34
  • Thanks for pitching in, JDB! We do realize Teams aren't going to be immediately useful to everyone on the site. The beta sign ups we have so far suggest they'll be useful to some people, though. Now, if that's any reassurance, in the long run, you can be confident that if Teams turn out not to be useful to anyone, they won't be useful to us, either (and they won't be worth dedicating a lot of effort to).
    – Thomas Orozco Staff
    Commented Oct 27, 2015 at 14:58
  • @ThomasOrozco - I'd still like to know what the actual problem is. There will always be people who will sign up for betas, just because new === exciting. But it's going to have to solve an actual problem if it's going to be successful.
    – JDB
    Commented Oct 27, 2015 at 15:22
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    @JDB I think we disagree on what "problem" should mean. We explained in the original post what the problem we'd like to solve is, but you don't view it as one; that's entirely fine, and understandable (presumably, it's not a problem for you, or at least not one you feel is worth solving), but I'm afraid it means I can't really give you a better answer here. Please let me know if I'm misreading you.
    – Thomas Orozco Staff
    Commented Oct 27, 2015 at 15:29
  • @ThomasOrozco - See my edit at the bottom of my post.
    – JDB
    Commented Oct 27, 2015 at 19:15
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That was long, and it kinda had to be. If you've ever played with Lego Bricks, you probably understand the understated importance of things that look like this:

It's important

Of interest are the parts that form intersections. And that's what we've got here, along with a lot of talk about what's going to be built there, how it's going to be easy to get to, but not get in your way as you go about getting what you came here to do done. It's new, it's kinda big and we're at the point where we have to tell you that something is coming as we start building it in plain sight. You know everything about it that we do, and we'll make sure that stays true.

Maybe it's a new stadium, or a library, or something that town planners have decided is essential in order to bring more people into the town. Whatever it might be, there will always seem like there are more important things we could be doing other than building that thing. What about the potholes a block away? What about all that graffiti on that other side of town?

We're not putting any of that off. But we can't put this off any longer, either.

Sometimes there is just never a good time to do something and fully respect everyone's expectations at the same time. Core Q&A is never going to become a second class citizen when it comes to the amount of attention and resources we're committed to putting into it. But we really need the foundation for this laid so that a lot of other problems in and beyond Q&A can be solved, so that none of our products function like bolted-on afterthoughts.

But there are lots, and lots of things in the air, and not all of them are mutually exclusive. Deciding not to do this right now would not magically give us everything we need to solve other problems, like refining search, beefing up the spam protection layer, or the two dozen other things I really want to work on right now - and I see what I feel are quite a few assuming that we're diverting. That's not the case, we'd be obligated to announce this even if everything else was perfect, please don't read so much into the timing. Things block for many other reasons than hands needed to do them.

You can't appreciate what you don't see

What we positively must do a better job of, and it's been quite clear for some time (and broadly my fault that I've lagged the last two weeks) is being more responsive to the plethora of requests that we're currently serving in addition to what we're talking about here.

There are three of us 100% dedicated to making sure Stack Overflow as a Q&A product continues to thrive and grow. They are:

  • Myself
  • Shog9
  • Bluefeet

.. and more might be coming on this team. Our primary focus has been making sure long-standing and well-received community needs are met, and continue to be met timely. If you're not seeing that, it's my fault, and we'll do better.

We can't make super complicated problems magically simple enough to solve in a week, and before we fix problems, we need to figure out how. But (and this keeps repeating, which is something else I'm paying attention to) we can do a better job of letting you know what we know, even if we don't yet know very much. Some problems are just that hard at our scale.

Please don't read more into this than there is. It's new, it's big, and we wanted to tell you about it. We didn't wander off into the weeds chasing rainbow uni-squirrels, no matter how excited we seem. But we do have a lot going on, and while we promise to continue to be as transparent as we can possibly be, we humbly ask for your patience and support.

I'll be working on a series of posts here on MSO to shine some more light on what team SO has been up to lately, even if it's not as close to shipping as we'd like, because it's pretty clear to me that many would appreciate things like this more if they were more up to speed on the .. less glamorous endeavors that task us.

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    You know everything about it that we do, and that is why I am concerned. Commented Oct 22, 2015 at 20:06
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    "There are three of us 100% dedicated to making sure Stack Overflow as a Q&A product continues to thrive and grow." - On the community team, this is great. I do however have to ask how many devs are involved with this push, as I imagine creating mockups for Teams, Documentation, and working on Careers also involves quite a few developers.
    – hichris123
    Commented Oct 22, 2015 at 20:11
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    @hichris123 It varies. A significant effort is in all of those things, but we also have bandwidth to work on stuff that the community wants. Right now, we're working on making figuring out what happened to your flag much less confusing, overhauling the review history stuff so you can better see the longer-term effects you have on the site through review, overhauling the vote fraud scripts to be much smarter and a bunch of other stuff. As I indicated, I need to be more vocal about it. Constrained? Yeah. Starved? no.
    – user50049
    Commented Oct 22, 2015 at 20:16
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    All we want is to know why you can't wait any longer for this. You say it as if the need for it is self-evident. Can you please elaborate?
    – Linuxios
    Commented Oct 22, 2015 at 20:26
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    @TimPost: It's just not very reassuring when the answer to every (and I mean every) concern voiced on the other post was "Well, we'll just find out, won't we!".
    – Linuxios
    Commented Oct 22, 2015 at 20:27
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    The short answer, @Linuxios, is "because we've been doing too much talking and not enough doing." We've been talking for a long time here at Stack Overflow about providing devs a way to show off what they do outside of Q&A and a small text area on the profile, and we've talked for a long time about bringing Careers and Stack Overflow a bit closer together. (We haven't talked too much publicly about this in years past because we had no good concrete ideas for how to do that.) Team pages move us closer to both of those goals, both of which we think are good for the developer community. cont'd...
    – Laura Staff
    Commented Oct 22, 2015 at 22:13
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    ...(cont'd) We want people to show off work they're proud of, be able to ask questions about other people's work, and to find jobs they love. We know from our annual user survey that many, many developers consider "what would I be working on" as one of the most important deciding factors when evaluating a new job. We also know that it's highly unlikely for recruiters to provide this information, and that devs like hearing from other devs. We've postponed actually building anything for a long time because we wanted to get it perfect. (cont'd..)
    – Laura Staff
    Commented Oct 22, 2015 at 22:14
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    ...But you know how we get to perfect? By building an MVP, getting feedback from you all, and iterating until it's better than we could have ever thought to make it on our own.
    – Laura Staff
    Commented Oct 22, 2015 at 22:14
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    @Laura: OK. Two questions: 1) What make you think that team pages will be "safe" from HR/Marketing? It can end up being a public face for a company, and as discussed at length on the old post, that raises some problems. 2) Given that this seems so focused on jobs, why isn't it just part of Careers?
    – Linuxios
    Commented Oct 22, 2015 at 22:22
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    @Linuxios 1) I don't think Team pages necessarily have to remain "safe" from HR/Marketing. Sometimes our customers on Careers are technical people who have to hire their own team. Sometimes non-technical recruiters do understand devs. Sometimes...the two might even work together on things! 2) It's not part of Careers because jobs are just one piece of what we envision team pages to be, but for people on SO who are looking for jobs, it's a way better experience to see jobs in a context where they might actually be tempted to apply than it is to shuffle them off to another site to search.
    – Laura Staff
    Commented Oct 22, 2015 at 22:29
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    @Laura If you've been doing "too much talking" then maybe you should reconsider. There has clearly been nothing to spur action. It appears that you all are simply bored. Some users are incredulous that you could be so given that issues they have raised persist on SO itself. Commented Oct 23, 2015 at 3:07
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    "There are three of us 100% dedicated to making sure Stack Overflow as a Q&A product continues to thrive and grow" -- you should make it clear that those are only the community managers. There are around 6 devs (me, m0sa, cky, Oded, Marc Gravell and one person on bug duty) whose primary job is improving Q&A and I don't see those numbers change anytime soon.
    – Sklivvz
    Commented Oct 23, 2015 at 9:38
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    @sth How is it distracting for people who just come for Q&A? If people aren't interested in Teams, they don't have to navigate to any team pages. It's not like we're going to be putting pop-ups in people's faces saying "hold on, before we let you see that answer, go check out this team!"
    – Laura Staff
    Commented Oct 23, 2015 at 11:13
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    @sth Out of... seven billion humans? :-)
    – Sklivvz
    Commented Oct 24, 2015 at 16:38
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    @Laura "We want people to show off work they're proud of" but... do people really want a special place on Stack Overflow for that? AFAIK, most people are more than happy with that "textarea". It's simple, and lets me showcase whatever I want. In-fact the <!--summary thing for the hover card is excellent too. Stack Overflow profiles can already link to the corresponding careers.so profile, where showcasing projects is a special feature. Maybe try to get more people to join careers, not just those who are desperately looking for a job? Commented Oct 25, 2015 at 11:40
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Following won’t exist until we have job openings on Team pages (more on that below). Once we do, following (which is probably not the best name for this feature) will only be used to be notified of new openings. We don’t have further plans around following at this time.

Let's see, a feature that will only be used for notification of new job openings...

Am I crazy, or is it really not worth spending time thinking about what to name this very basic feature? We already have notification preferences, just put it there (please excuse the hackish devtools mockup):

An added "Teams" section in /users/preferences/userid with options to receive inbox and email notifications for team jobs

If it's really important that this be discoverable from within a Teams page and/or when signing up for Teams, just instruct users to follow a link to their preferences page to manage Teams notifications.

The only thing this doesn't do is let you get notifications from some Teams and not others. You could just as easily do that by adding another section at the same level as "Preferences" (what are these sub-tab things called? drawers, maybe?). throw it into "Applications", etc.

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    Yep, this is indeed pretty much what "following" was meant to be (with a tweak that you'd want to know about jobs available in other teams)!
    – Thomas Orozco Staff
    Commented Oct 23, 2015 at 17:08
  • Given that your wording in the proposed screenshot is "your Teams", one of us has entirely misunderstood the feature.
    – Ben Voigt
    Commented Oct 23, 2015 at 23:55
  • @Ben: Most concrete quote I can pull up from the Android app in an elevator is from the announcement: * Eventually we will also add a list of teams you’re a member of onto your profile, but it won’t be in the beta.*
    – Air
    Commented Oct 24, 2015 at 0:08
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While reading through the previous post, I thought that this proposal could be of value to StackOverflow except for just one area where it lacks

You mentioned that

Here’s why we’re excited about teams:

  • Teams allow for a new kind of Q&A that wouldn’t be allowed right now
  • Teams let you show off more of what you do professionally
  • Teams help you hire developers or recruit for your open source project

Exploring all these one by one,

Teams help you hire developers or recruit for your open source project

I think this is a good feature for those who use SO Careers to have. This would just serve the purpose of giving you the information about people currently involved in a company/project which may make you want to join that project, just like the current system where your profile may make a company want to hire you.

I don't think this proposal will cause problems for users who want to use just the Q&A feature any more than existence of SO Careers does.

Teams let you show off more of what you do professionally

I think this would be a perfectly legitimate extension to the current system where users' profiles show off their

  • reputation
  • badges
  • an "about me"
  • all their questions and answers

and somewhat useful stats such as

  • member for [duration]
  • [number of] profile views
  • last seen [x minutes ago]
  • visited x days, y consecutive

Maybe a team page could show a meaningful aggregate of all this information, and a team "about me".

This just adds more information about the people that are involved in Q&A on StackOverflow and I don't think this generates any noise.

In fact, These might even work to motivate people to partake in Q&A like reputation and badges currently do.


But there is one area where this proposal lacks, which is the abuse of SO Q&A system.

It introduces a new kind of Q&A.

We’re looking to provide a place for questions such as:

  • "How does [Company X] run PostgreSQL at an enterprise scale?"
  • "What's a typical budget for [Company Y] when they upgrade their data centers?", or
  • "How does [Company Z] keep their distributed team working together even though they’re spread across multiple time zones?"

I think that the concept of asking a personal question to a person or a bunch of persons is foreign for StackOverflow where questions that are allowed are supposed to be answerable by anyone with knowledge in that domain.

For example, the current SO way is to ask that question like

How do I run PostgreSQL at an enterprise scale with my specific requirements that are included in the question?

And one of the answers from a representative of team that belongs to [Company X] could be

At [Company X], we doodled foobar so that baz does not overflow in PostgreSQL and thus achieved enterprise scale

along with other answers from other experts in that domain.

So perhaps one way that the teams feature could help SO Q&A is by contributing to the discoverablitiy problem* - a team may want to subscribe to a specific tag, or may be summoned by a @mention when a question regarding intricate implementation details about a project comes up.

One specific case that I do know that this feature may help is the openshift tag. openshift is a PaaS service which closed down their forums and recommended all their users to ask questions on SO instead, with the openshift tag.

Maybe cases like these may want to form support teams on SO and subscribe to all the questions tagged about their service and answer them quickly to show off the badges and stats earned by their support team's page as a proof of quality of the support that they offer to developers.

Other than this, like many have pointed out, if the teams are going to have their own "Team Timeline" where anyone can "post" questions to which they can "reply", then that is a bit social network-y,
Because unlike Q&A that SO is built on, this is more of a Ask Me Anything kind of thing, which I'm not saying is bad, but is just foreign to what SO currently is and is more fitting on social networks.


* See How do active answerers find questions to answer? and Help build a good "Find The Next Question To Answer" query

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Keep an option for Pairs

That could be a very cool boost for the by mentorship and personal development as a software engineer, currently receiving too little attention in the SD world in general. If a nice tool was there and maybe support by others would somehow add to this it might be more likely that more people get incentivized to act as mentors. It would also be nice to see an option for people to move from Teams to Teams as Pairs.

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    I don't think this proposal excludes pairs, but I think we can do something better for a mentoring relationship. In particular, I'm working on a mentoring system that would allow mentors to monitor the progress of their mentees while also giving them a small bonus to get started. (My thinking on the details of mentoring has changed somewhat, but this is the basic outline.)
    – Jon Ericson Staff
    Commented Oct 23, 2015 at 15:54

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