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EDIT: I'm not complaining for it, I'm politely asking if it fits rules or not, please just comment without touching that downvote button...

EDIT 2: My question is different that the previous one, because while the other post was clearly against rules (I realized it later), I think for this one that it fits rules. I quoted them, so if it doesn't please comment and tell me which rules it doesn't it fit. There is a huge quote here on posts like mine on Parse

Today this question of mine which was un-voted for 3 months, has been downvoted. I think it's related to the previous post I did on meta, and somebody seeing my questions downvoted it as it's opinion-based.

Now, I'm not gonna write a post here everytime a question of mine gets downvoted, just I still have some difficults sometimes to understand fully the rules.

In this page, it's clearly readable:

Some subjective questions are allowed, but “subjective” does not mean “anything goes”. All subjective questions are expected to be constructive. What does that mean? Constructive subjective questions:

  • inspire answers that explain “why” and “how”
  • tend to have long, not short, answers
  • have a constructive, fair, and impartial tone
  • invite sharing experiences over opinions
  • insist that opinion be backed up with facts and references
  • are more than just mindless social fun

Now, I think my question, still being partially subjective, fits all the points listed, because Parse has changed much over the time, and while this is my first big project with it as backend, many people in the past had troubles with it, while recently it's getting better. So I asked more for facts than opinions.

I was asking so for a recommendation (that it looks like almost forbidden in this site), but knowing it at the time, I put this clear clause in my question

Now, if you ever used Parse for something big, would you recommend me it?

Also, I wrote this

Please provide every answer with objective factors, as said, though this question is opinion-based too, I'd like it to remain also based on real factors. I'd also like to have some claryfing about requests/second and total users, since I never had an online-based app with so many users.

Indeed, I got only 1 quality-answer, not dozen of answers like "No, I don't like it; Yes, I love it".

Since here there are the people who want to guarantee SO posts' quality, could you tell me if I'm right when saying that my 3-months ago post fits rules or not?

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    complaining about being downvoted in the question is akin to asking for more downvotes.
    – Kevin B
    Sep 15, 2015 at 18:27
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    Well, that's called the Meta effect. If you're exposing yourself to the community in a broader way, you should be aware of more attention and critiques coming along. Sep 15, 2015 at 18:28
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    Well, you see, people downvote for a wide variety of reasons, some justified, some not. Fortunately (or, unfortunately for you i guess,) we aren't required to justify our votes. If we want to help you improve the post, we'll leave a comment. Some may feel that the post simply can't be improved because of the type of response you're looking for.
    – Kevin B
    Sep 15, 2015 at 18:29
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    Gave you an upvote, ill carry on...
    – Just Do It
    Sep 15, 2015 at 18:30
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    It's an edge case. Some people will see the question as fine, others won't. I in particular don't like the question because it's asking for an opinion, and i find opinions to be pretty useless in programming.
    – Kevin B
    Sep 15, 2015 at 18:31
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    @user1714647 lol, I know. Sep 15, 2015 at 18:35
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    sorry... but begging for upvotes "so we can bring it back to 0" is NOT appropriate... at ALL..
    – Patrice
    Sep 15, 2015 at 18:37
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    @user1714647 People are downvoting because of disagreement, as it already was mentioned to you. Sep 15, 2015 at 18:41
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    Downvoting is useful because it indicates to others that a question is not useful. If we left it other users would see it and say "Why can't I ask this kind of question?, that guy got away with it" Sep 15, 2015 at 18:46
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    We are. We're saying its opinion based, which it really is. The fact that you think it's still allowed is overruled by the community's decision that they think it's not.
    – fbueckert
    Sep 15, 2015 at 18:51
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    ... you seem to come back to the point of "but I need it, so it HAS to be on topic"... which is just wrong for Stack
    – Patrice
    Sep 15, 2015 at 18:55
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    Irrelevant. The question must stand on its own, and adding words to bypass close reasons doesn't work. The fact that you want recent experiences gives you no power to enforce such answers, and its still an opinion based question.
    – fbueckert
    Sep 15, 2015 at 18:56
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    One of the other reasons for avoiding opinionish questions is that in general they will have inherently time dependent answers. So for instance, if you had have asked this exact question a year ago would you get the same answers as today? Will you get the same answer in a year? Will the answers you get today help the user that googles and finds this question and it's answers in a year? Subjective answers are more likely to change over time.
    – EBGreen
    Sep 15, 2015 at 18:57
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    Some subjective questions are allowed - This does not take precedence over the rule against recommendation questions. Your question is still asking SO to recommend an external service, which is off topic.
    – BSMP
    Sep 15, 2015 at 18:59
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    you realize you come, get help, stomp your feet because it's not the help you feel you should be given, and leave angry? twice it happened TODAY... maybe it's time to review your attitude?
    – Patrice
    Sep 15, 2015 at 19:06

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That question doesn't fit the rules as you like to see them.

It is overly broad, opinion based and not very useful for future visitors as answers would likely only be valid for you.

Such questions can work if you ask about the actual problem you're trying to solve. The only reasonable thing to ask would be something along these lines:

I'm using Parse.com and would like to keep using the free plan as long as possible. For that I need to request to stay below 30 per second if I want to serve more than 1000 users. I have the following code to keep requests low

  FuBar req= Parse.magic!23{cache}@

but in my testing it shows that this doesn't invalidate the cache. How can I add that? I'm not required to use Parse btw

What could happen when you ask that question that answers show you possible ways to keep the number request low, share state, tweak some settings or users suggest a different tool stack that offers similar functionality with a better free plan.

Looking at all your questions so far on SO ( and the two on meta today) you seem to focus on getting answers that are useful for you. That is not the point of Stack Overflow, or any SE site for that matter. We don't care about how your question is going to help you.

Your question has to be able to help future visitors.

Opinion based, broad questions aren't helpful for visitors that arrive on your question by a google search. Not that many will find them self in the same situation as you. After all this site is for practical answerable questions that have some code in it.

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    "Your question has to be able to help future visitors." I believe this is the most important point made in your answer.
    – CubeJockey
    Sep 15, 2015 at 19:10
  • So if someone asks how to declare an array in Java does a more legit and qualitied question that mine. Feels legit. Sep 15, 2015 at 19:11
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    How to declare an array is a specific, objective question, in a specific language. Is it simple? Yep. Still extremely objective.
    – fbueckert
    Sep 15, 2015 at 19:14
  • But it lacks research cause a 30-sec research on google would give you better result than how users can give you in answers, or also a book. So it's objective? But lacks research. While mine question, didn't actually lack of it. Sep 15, 2015 at 19:15
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    And is six years old. Standards have since changed. I doubt it would get the same response today as it did when it was asked.
    – fbueckert
    Sep 15, 2015 at 19:18
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    Third time you link old questions. ... will you listen to us when we say they can't be used to defend newer questions?
    – Patrice
    Sep 15, 2015 at 19:19
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    There still isn't a rule against posting easy questions. It's just far less common for an easy question to not be a duplicate now.
    – Kevin B
    Sep 15, 2015 at 19:19
  • It can be how many years old you want, for me it feels dumb because it shows totally no efforts in searching things on own. Kevin but there is a rule about showing also proper work instead of asking Sep 15, 2015 at 19:19
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    Yes, which will get you downvotes, not closure. A downvoted question can still be answered and eventually turn around to positive over time if it is useful to enough people.
    – Kevin B
    Sep 15, 2015 at 19:20
  • Sure because if people here throw downvotes like popcorn to pigeons, having almost 10 downvotes on a SO question (not meta) will FOR SURE help me in the future to get upvotes. 100% not to get it deleted (as it indeed was) Sep 15, 2015 at 19:21
  • The java question you linked to, it has 30 downvotes.
    – Kevin B
    Sep 15, 2015 at 19:21
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    @user1714647 Again. Focusing on other questions as a justification to keep yours isn't going to work. At the end of the day, yours is completely opinion based, and there's no way to salvage it to make it acceptable.
    – fbueckert
    Sep 15, 2015 at 19:26
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    My issue with your question is it's length. It's way too wordy, is missing a summary as the first paragraph, contains the word "recommend" way too many times (and shouldn't be in the title, that alone will attract downvotes, warranted or not)
    – Kevin B
    Sep 15, 2015 at 19:30
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    Rather than throwing a tantrum that your question was closed, why don't you accept constructive criticism, and learn from it? You'll get a much better reception here.
    – fbueckert
    Sep 15, 2015 at 19:31
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    Site quality is the primary concern. Always has been. That's the whole point of curating the site.
    – fbueckert
    Sep 15, 2015 at 20:16

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