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This is something that I have never encountered before, so I'd like to bring it up. There are of course similar questions, but I haven't found one about this particular constellation:

One of my answers got a downvote (something that I usually try to avoid), so I had another look at it, to see whether I might have gotten something wrong and might revise or improve it. (Indeed, there was a small bug that I fixed now, but then) I noticed that all answers to this question had exactly one downvote.

(It's certainly not a "great" question, but it is reasonable (and, subjectively, interesting). The answers aren't great either, but reasonable as well, and each of them definitely helpful)

A look at the timeline of the post revealed that the downvotes happened nearly at the same time. A closer look at the reputation changes of the asker and the answerers showed the times for the downvotes:

2015-09-04 21:52:16
2015-09-04 21:52:23
2015-09-04 21:52:25
2015-09-04 21:52:28
2015-09-04 21:52:30

That was quick. There may be several explanations for this. Someone might have read the question and all the answers, and then might have thought "This is all crap" (without feeling the necessity to write a better answer), and downvoted them all. Or someone might have thought that the question was bad, downvoted it, and wanted to punish everyone who dared to answer the question. Or someone might be reeeally quick at reading and judging code snippets, and happened to find all answers "not useful" (although each of them solved the problem, in different ways). Or someone is on a downvoting-spree.

However, I don't really care about the downvote, but others might wonder what they did wrong there. I'm curious to see whether it will be caught and handled by this magic mysterious "anti-serial-voting-script", but would also like to hear what others think, or if any other action should be taken here.

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  • The question link stackoverflow.com/questions/32305652/…
    – CRABOLO
    Sep 5, 2015 at 0:03
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    @CRABOLO I wanted to avoid any meta-effects. But well ... as any critique here does not refer to the asker or the answerers, but only to the (anonymous) downvoter, it may be OK to mention it....
    – Marco13
    Sep 5, 2015 at 0:05
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    Not sure why they were downvoted... have upvoted all in that thread (gave me an insight I needed)
    – user4756884
    Sep 5, 2015 at 0:14
  • A side note: The "Related" section now was more helpful than the search and the "similar questions" proposals: This question seems to describe a very similar issue (although it refers to a different reasoning. In this particular case, I doubt that the downvotes are based on the content)
    – Marco13
    Sep 5, 2015 at 0:35
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    I once did this: down-voted all the answers to a crap question. My mistake was leaving a comment that it was a crap question that should be closed, not answered, as ironically I then apparently became the target of serial down-voting by one of the answerers.
    – Dexygen
    Sep 5, 2015 at 13:32
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    @CRABOLO, I've finished reading the post with the feeling: "that's great, at least someone is using meta to discuss about community problems instead of requesting help to fix their own problems", but looking your link in the comments was very sad :( I believe that we should always avoid the meta effects. The question was too well described without the link.
    – Zanon
    Sep 5, 2015 at 13:33
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    That question is not a real question, but code writing request without summary of the work done so far to solve the problem, and a description of the difficulty OP is having when solving it. In other words it is give me teh codes question which I believe should be closed. Best answer I imagine for this kind of questions is "Hint: use modulo operator % (and maybe some pseudocode example)". I would also like answer which would provide very detailed explain of how this problem could be solved so we would make sure that any beginner (possibly like OP) would be able to understand it.
    – Pshemo
    Sep 5, 2015 at 13:33
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    @Zanon If somebody really wanted to know to which question I referred, he could have found it out from my reputation history anyhow. But I agree that the direct link might encourage a discussion about the specific question, and not the issue of "serial/bulk downvoting of (any) question and its answers". See the next comment ... ;-)
    – Marco13
    Sep 5, 2015 at 14:24
  • @Pshemo Also see above ;-) : As I said, the question was not "great", but legitimate: ~"How to create an array of size x that contains the contents of a given array repeatedly?" is a generic task, and even though it may have been "give me tah codes" for the specific asker, it is interesting for many programmers. There are several approaches, and they might be interesting for others that have the same question, and IMHO answers on SO are not for THE asker, but for everybody who has the same question.
    – Marco13
    Sep 5, 2015 at 14:30
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    There's also the possibility that nearly half a dozen people actually all managed to get it wrong, and in that specific case, there were no glaring issues with the question and it was pretty clear what was being asked - which just makes it even more depressing.
    – BoltClock
    Sep 6, 2015 at 3:54
  • @BoltClock I also don't see a glaring issue with the question that I referred to. I think it is a legitimate question and (also see the comment that I added there) wonder how it should have been written to be not off-topic. I think, even when nitpicking, a minor rewording from "I want to write code for ..." to something like "What are the options, maybe with streams, also regarding performance, for..." would have been sufficient to make it a "good" question. (Would anybody mind if I edited it? Or would it not be OK because of the "significant" change?)
    – Marco13
    Sep 6, 2015 at 11:34
  • I share your concerns on this, and about a subset of this behavior I have seen where 2 or 3 answers, all similar, exist for a question, all at 0 points as they are a couple minutes old. Then one more answer appears, different text but exactly the same information, and at the same time all other answers have changed to a score of -1. I just shrugged it off, considered it childish but tried to ignore it. But just wanted to mention I have seen that kind of behavior as well.
    – WDS
    Sep 6, 2015 at 20:58
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    @WDS This is sometimes referred to as "strategic downvoting": Letting own answers appear "better" (on top of) others. This was obviously not the case here, as all answers (and the question) had been downvoted (but I think I see why you mentioned it).
    – Marco13
    Sep 6, 2015 at 21:11
  • Related meta post Sep 7, 2015 at 15:11
  • @JamesThorpe I see that I may have kicked off a discussion that goes beyond the issue that I originally addressed. The question of "whether good answers to bad questions should be downvoted" is somewhat controversial. (But to emphaisize this again: I think that the question was not "great", but could at least have been "good" (with minor rewordings, maybe)).
    – Marco13
    Sep 7, 2015 at 15:46

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I do this (but I didn't do it to this question). When I see a question which is crap, and should also be closed, I downvote it, and vote to close it. And if other people answered instead of doing likewise, I downvote their answers, because it is not helpful to encourage people who post crap by providing them with answers.

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    It happens, though rarely, that a superb answer can overcome having started with a bad question. Though in those cases, I mostly wonder why they invested all that effort in their post, but none at all in fixing the question... Sep 5, 2015 at 0:44
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    Then you use the voting system in the incorrect fashion. If you see a good answer to a crap question, you should be applauding the answerer for actually answering the question. I agree with you if, say, said question is off-topic though.
    – AStopher
    Sep 6, 2015 at 11:12
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    -1 you are punishing people for answering a badly written question, on the grounds that they should have fixed the question first, no matter how good the answer is? So why didn't you spend time to fix the question instead of downvoting possibly good answers? Definitely this type of technique does not discourage users who post crap questions to continue doing so (they probably don't care about downvotes), nor encourages well meaning people to continue contributing to SO.
    – nico
    Sep 6, 2015 at 11:47
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    Sometimes I vote to close a question and I still answer it. Sometimes using a comment, sometimes using a real answer. Usually the questions which are asked by a programming noob. The fact that he doesn't have enough understanding to ask a good question doesn't mean I cannot help him.
    – Sulthan
    Sep 6, 2015 at 12:29
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    No amount of editing can fix a 'send me the regex' question, and no answer to such a question deserves positive treatment.
    – bmargulies
    Sep 6, 2015 at 18:21
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    Aha, punishing people for trying to help others. It's people like you who make the world a better place. Don't forget to look up the profiles of the people who posted answers, so you can apply additional downvotes to punish them more. Sep 6, 2015 at 18:57
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    @DavidWallace: What makes you think they want to help the world? They might also just be out for themselves, trying to get reputation as a game or because it's great on their resume. In the years I have on SO, I've certainly seen dubious behaviors who only made sense if one aimed for reputation first (such as the fastest gun in the west syndrom, where an answer evolves from a one-liner to a a couple lines to a couple more lines etc... all edits within a minute of each other, just to grab the spot light and hold it). Sep 6, 2015 at 19:17
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    You're absolutely right, @MatthieuM. We can't be sure of their motivation. Best to be on the safe side and punish them regardless. Sep 6, 2015 at 19:22
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    // , Sounds like you have chosen to humorlessly game the system, @bmargulles, and to not judge an answer on its own merit. Sep 6, 2015 at 22:51
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    @bmargulies Down voting an answer because the question it answers isn't very good? People who share your views on this are everything wrong with this site. We should be encouraging people to ask and answer questions, that's how we grow. If an answer is bad, down vote it, if it is not bad, don't down vote it. Period. A good answer should not be down voted as punishment for the question being poor. No wonder people think this site is so negative Sep 7, 2015 at 14:46
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    The downvote tooltip says "this answer is not useful". Are good answers to terrible questions useful? Is encouraging terrible questions useful?
    – Rawling
    Sep 7, 2015 at 14:51
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    @Rawling Think about what you are asking. Take the most terrible question in the world, the answer to this question is useful because it answers the question. The question is not useful, but the solution to this is useful (i.e. it is of use) to the person who asked it. SO "Are good answers to terrible questions useful?" The answer is of course yes. Sep 7, 2015 at 14:56
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    it is not helpful to encourage people who post crap by providing them with answers. +1
    – Ejaz
    Sep 7, 2015 at 15:21
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    @Ejay Haha I can reword that to: It's not helpful to help people Sep 7, 2015 at 15:27
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    I'm with Reece, and it's this punitive spirit that's resulted in my spending much less time participating in StackOverflow. If you think a question is bad feel free to downvote the question (and / or vote to close) and move on. If you feel an answer is bad, downvote the answer. But taking the extra step of punishing people who don't share your opinion about the question is pretty sad. Sep 7, 2015 at 16:26
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I'm curious to see whether it will be caught and handled by this magic mysterious "anti-serial-voting-script",

Based on the evidence you present, it most likely won't because what you saw there is not in fact what we call "serial downvoting". Serial downvoting is downvoting which appears to target the user rather than the posts. Alice left a comment at the same time I got a downvote, therefore she downvoted me. So I'm going to go after her and downvote all her posts. That'll teach her! This is serial downvoting. Judging a question and its answers to be all worthy of downvotes is not serial downvoting.

Useless questions invite useless answers. So that answers get downvoted together with their question is not anything suspicious even if we disagree with the votes.

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    Yes, that's why I put "serial downvoting" in quotes. But I thought that it was somewhat ... suspicious or at least unusual that all downvotes appeared within a few seconds (which is kind of "serial", regardless of the actual definition...)
    – Marco13
    Sep 5, 2015 at 10:44
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    Poor Alice! Sep 6, 2015 at 19:19
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    Alice? Who the ... hell is alice?
    – Sobrique
    Sep 7, 2015 at 14:57

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