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I was reading this question of which, one of the answers referenced this site. A huge amount of traffic to SO is during weekdays and the school year.

Via the second link: SO unique visitors per weeks

The dips and canyons (deep dips) are weekends/vacations (read: time that students don't use SO).

Since a significant amount of traffic is coming from students, are there any changes SO should make to accommodate them?

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    The reason so many students use stack is because it became known as one of the best resources (since it has high quality standard). If we accommodate these students, the quality will likely drop, driving traffic away. But what EXACTLY are the changes you think should be done?
    – Patrice
    Aug 14, 2015 at 15:44
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    Well weekends are times when people would be off work and not on the site. I would also wager that the vacation dips will line up with periods that a lot of people tend to take time off.
    – Joe W
    Aug 14, 2015 at 15:46
  • Those deep dives look more like people taking Christmas break to me. Aug 14, 2015 at 15:47
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    Strangely, weekends and vacations are also times when professional programmers don't work.
    – Oded
    Aug 14, 2015 at 15:47
  • In regards to your question - what changes do you think would accommodate students more? I don't understand the problem you are trying to tell us about.
    – Oded
    Aug 14, 2015 at 15:48
  • @Oded Weekends and holiday weekends, yes. But the large trend down during the summer, when school is off, is the one notable deviation, and it is a trend that we see on the trendline.
    – Servy
    Aug 14, 2015 at 15:49
  • @Servy - sure. Schools, colleges and universities. But also families of said school children - part of the families would be professional programmers.
    – Oded
    Aug 14, 2015 at 15:51
  • @Oded: Seems like a case for closing as unclear. I have an idea what the OP could be implying, but it's simply my own conjecture.
    – BoltClock
    Aug 14, 2015 at 15:52
  • @BoltClock to be fair it IS a discussion, so I guess the OP wants us to figure out the changes needed? (not defending what he thinks should be done, just saying why it may not be as unclear as if it was a Feature Request)
    – Patrice
    Aug 14, 2015 at 15:53
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    @Oded You think that a significant percentage of that down trend during the summer is professional programmers that take the whole summer off because their kids are out of school? I'm sure that there are some number of people doing that, and perhaps some professional teachers, but I wouldn't expect there to be enough of those users to affect the curve to any notable degree. They're likely insignificant in comparison to the number of students.
    – Servy
    Aug 14, 2015 at 15:54
  • The, "I'm new to programming, where do I start?" questions could be gathered into a common area and categorized, stuff like, "How to set up an IDE", "How to write Hello World", "How to write a socket". SO aims to be a "a library of detailed answers to every question about programming." (via stackoverflow.com/tour). A big pile of books != a library. Aug 14, 2015 at 15:54
  • @Servy - I'm saying they also factor in. I am sure a large drop is mostly students - but not just them. Regardless - I still have no idea what the OP wants to discuss (accommodate students, how, in what manner?).
    – Oded
    Aug 14, 2015 at 15:55
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    @FuriousFolder There are already lots of places that do that already. In the case of students, that you're trying to cater to, that would be what their teachers/textbooks are for.
    – Servy
    Aug 14, 2015 at 15:56
  • A free pizza for answering a student question. Aug 14, 2015 at 22:10

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I've always thought that we should have more guidance for educators on the value that Stack Overflow can have for coursework. Students are sometimes heavily penalized for using the site, and I think that's silly, because professional programmers use it every day. It's not just Stack Overflow, many students can't use any resource that actual programmers use.

Coursework should have some (more) focus on how to ask for help when you don't know how to solve a problem, and that should begin in the classroom, but why should those skills be confined to a classroom? That's always baffled me.

In summary, I think we could do a better job with outreach to teachers to help them help their students to make the most out of resourcefulness, letting go of the idea that pedagogy can only flourish in isolation. We should show them how they can use Stack Overflow as a tool to teach, instead of monitor for evidence of homework.

tl;dr - I think we do a fine job with students. It's their teachers we really need to be reaching.

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    I can say that reaching out to teachers has had an impact. I've talked to professors when it was clear that students were copying and pasting lesson assignments from their class, and several of them now incorporate lessons on what's appropriate to post here in the first lecture of a class. I know Robert and Bill had said something similar about other teachers they'd contacted. People assume that all computer science educators would know about the site, its conventions, and the way students sometimes try to use it to cheat, but that doesn't seem to be the case.
    – Brad Larson Mod
    Aug 14, 2015 at 16:11
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    @BradLarson I've done the same. I think putting all of that experience together in one useful place might be a pretty good idea. As a programmer you're going to need to learn how to ask for help from other programmers, that's a skill as essential as learning how to use a debugger.
    – Tim Post
    Aug 14, 2015 at 16:13
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    I don't want to be pedantic, but are you sure you mean pedantry? Aug 14, 2015 at 16:51
  • @BillWoodger I did, it was a conscious choice of wording and I'm aware that it doesn't simply imply teaching. I also answered hundreds of questions tagged [homework] before we deprecated the tag.
    – Tim Post
    Aug 14, 2015 at 17:00
  • Perhaps I need to look at my American dictionary when I get home then. I'll keep trying to make sense of that paragraph in the mean time. Aug 14, 2015 at 17:04
  • Even looking at Webster's online, I still don't get it. The most positive aspect I can find is a pedant being "a formalist or precisionist in teaching "., or "one who makes a show of knowledge" whereas I think most commonly, if asked to define, people would think of "one who is unimaginative or who unduly emphasizes minutiae in the presentation or use of knowledge". Just saying. A bit pedantically. Aug 14, 2015 at 17:36
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    Looks like an autocorrect mishap involving "pedagogy".
    – user3717023
    Aug 14, 2015 at 18:26
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    Fine, me and my sense of humor will go have a bagel. My humor isn't lost on bagels, they always laugh at me.
    – Tim Post
    Aug 14, 2015 at 18:38
  • Humor? Never used it, it doesn't seem to be fun...
    – rene
    Aug 14, 2015 at 18:52
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Speaking as a user that joined while I was in my last semester of college, I can say that Stack Overflow has already done quite a lot to accommodate students. However, there's quite a lot that Stack Overflow shouldn't do to accommodate students, too.

First, the question quality of students or beginners in programming leaves much to be desired. The average student that made use of Stack Overflow while I was in college believed that they could just post their assignment and have someone complete it for them. There's no forgiveness or leniency as far as I'm concerned for someone that decides, "I'm going to dump this homework assignment here; someone may help me out later."

Next, there are the "help me I'm stuck" style of problems. I don't doubt that we've all been stuck on something we're working on, but there is very little that Stack Overflow can do to help a student truly get unstuck. Consider that now I'm in my third year of professional development, and I have ways of solving particular problems. I know that my solutions wouldn't necessarily translate well to a rookie looking to get a hint on how to simply overcome their problem. Even if they did, though, how much value does one get from a question that states, "I don't know how this works, I got this far but I'm stuck, could you help?"- especially when that is code that would never make its way into production?

I think that we're doing alright as it is. We've definitely become stricter about our question quality, so we don't have to worry as much about the two above scenarios. In essence, so long as a student is able to ask a question that can survive on Stack Overflow, we've done pretty much all we need to.

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Given that such a large portion of the SO user base is already students, it would seem that we already accommodate them rather well.

The mission of SO is to create a repository of useful questions and answers. As the evidence has shown, that is useful for both students and non-students alike.

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  • Actually, the mission of SO is " to build a library of detailed answers to every question about programming." Via stackoverflow.com/tour Aug 14, 2015 at 16:02
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    @FuriousFolder In creating a one sentence description of the site for people who have never actually seen it, some subtitles just can't be accounted for. If you continue to read on, both there, and elsewhere, you'll see that that, while a passable summary to a brand new user, is not an entirely accurate description of why the site exists, or what its core values are. The site has made it very clear, in the tour an elsewhere, that every programming question isn't on topic on SO, for example.
    – Servy
    Aug 14, 2015 at 16:19

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