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I see that you lose a reputation point for downvoting an answer on a post. This post explains why. It makes sense to me. It also looks like the most popular post on this topic.

The accepted answer on this post says the following:

Answers are different. When I'm posting an answer to a question, I am competing with other answerers for the precious repz, so there should be a cost for me to downvote their answers.

What I am trying to understand is, why do I lose reputation points for down voting an answer on my own post. In this case I am not competing with others for reputation. Can someone explain to me rationale behind doing this?

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    If your question attracted an unhelpful answer, then that's perhaps attributable to your question. So why should the downvote be free? Why should you be put in advantage over bystanders when evaluating answer usefulness?
    – mario
    Jul 10, 2015 at 19:23
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    How can you attribute a bad answer to the quality of a question. If the question is bad then it will anyways get downvoted.
    – Chiseled
    Jul 10, 2015 at 19:26
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    @Twister if you get an answer you downvote because it's not answering your exact problem, it could be because your problem statement was unclear? (this is just one example).
    – Patrice
    Jul 10, 2015 at 19:30
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    @Patrice there already is a builtin feature to handle unclear questions or questions of low quality. Your question either gets downvoted (in which case you have to forfeit rep points) or folks use comments to ask for clarification.
    – Chiseled
    Jul 10, 2015 at 19:45
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    @Patrice All i am saying is this does not sufficiently explain why this is being done
    – Chiseled
    Jul 10, 2015 at 19:45
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    It's being done for the same reason all downvotes on answers cost rep. There is no specific reason why it isn't different for answers on your own question because no differentiation between the two scenarios have been made before. If you think they SHOULD be different, you should start a discussion on THAT topic in the form of a feature request.
    – Kevin B
    Jul 10, 2015 at 19:46
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    I think it's kinda bad form to downvote people who answered your question. Unless they're idiots. I prefer to leave comments as to why their answers were unsatisfactory. The wolves will smell the blood and come running.
    – user1228
    Jul 10, 2015 at 20:37
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    @Will you aren't downvoting "people", you're downvoting content. (or, if you are downvoting (or upvoting) people, you're using your votes incorrectly)
    – Kevin B
    Jul 10, 2015 at 20:38
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    @Will I respectfully disagree :)
    – Chiseled
    Jul 10, 2015 at 20:43
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    @KevinB well, no sheet. Thanks for correcting me! Because I don't know how this place works. Like it being my choice not to downvote an answer even if it isn't correct. Or like how leaving a comment telling people why their answer is incorrect is perfectly fine. Or how I can downvote an answer to my questions, even though I think (personally, not site-rules) that's bad form, because the answer is so terrible it needs to go away. So, thank you for allowing me to pour a bucket of sarcasm in this comment. Have a drink on me tonight :)
    – user1228
    Jul 10, 2015 at 20:43
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    @Will For some reason (please correct me if I am wrong) you think downvoting an answer on your own post , is being rude. Its not. Well some answers are just plain incorrect , or are too vague. Downvotes on such answers indicated that the answer just does not meet minimum standards and directs other individuals who read your post to ignore them.
    – Chiseled
    Jul 10, 2015 at 20:54
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    "In this case I am not competing with others for reputation" You might be. Jul 13, 2015 at 18:32
  • @Twister downvotes should go along with a comment as to why you didn't think that answer was helpful. If I answer a question and I get downvoted without explanation, I'm not going to waste my time trying to figure out why, and how I can improve my answer. If I knew it was the OP who was downvoting that answer without comment, I'm definitely not going to take the time to try and solve their problem, because they didn't take the time to work with me. If the OP comments on my answer and says "I'm actually looking for something like this, can we do it?" I will work with them.
    – AdamMc331
    Jul 13, 2015 at 18:46
  • I must admit losing rep for downvoting on your own question does seem a bit odd, especially since you are the asker, you should be able to downvote answers that are unhelpful without a penalty. As you say, there is a perfectly valid reason to allow on any other question but your own does seem a bit odd
    – Sammaye
    Jul 13, 2015 at 19:23
  • So according to you downvotes should be free on all answers as long as you haven't (and don't) post a competing one to the same question? Jul 13, 2015 at 21:17

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Simply put, you lose reputation for downvoting any answer; it doesn't matter where that answer is.

You may not be competing with anyone else when downvoting, but you are objectively evaluating the quality of the answer at that point. If you feel strongly enough that the answer isn't useful, isn't correct, or just isn't good, then the idea is that you're willing to spend 1 reputation to demonstrate it. Again, it doesn't matter where the answer came from.

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    Should the forum not differentiate between a post owner downvoting an answer and a regular user downvoting an answer ?
    – Chiseled
    Jul 10, 2015 at 19:22
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    @Twister why should it?
    – Patrice
    Jul 10, 2015 at 19:25
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    @Patrice For the very same reason you give the authority to the post owner to mark an answer accepted. The post owner is in a better position to access the quality of the answer i.e say if the answer helped him resolve the issue or understand a concept better.
    – Chiseled
    Jul 10, 2015 at 19:48
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    @Twister: that's what accepting an answer does. If an answer does help them out the best, the OP has the option to accept that answer. This, of course, doesn't mean that the community won't disagree with the answer (which it has done in the past). Ironically, accepting one answer gives you enough reputation to downvote two answers.
    – Makoto
    Jul 10, 2015 at 19:49
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    @Twister The owner of the question is not in a better position to assess the quality of an answer than anyone else who visits the question. The owner of the question instead is in the best position to decide whether or not it solves their problem.
    – Kevin B
    Jul 10, 2015 at 19:50
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    @Twister I was about to reply, but I think Makoto and Kevin B have the gist of what I was about to answer. There is no reason why it would be different.
    – Patrice
    Jul 10, 2015 at 19:51
  • @Makoto Yup, there are posts out there which have answers with comparatively low upvotes.
    – Chiseled
    Jul 10, 2015 at 19:53
  • @Twister: Yes, there's even a badge for those scenarios.
    – Makoto
    Jul 10, 2015 at 19:53
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    That badge is very elusive. every time i think i'm getting close to it the accepted answer gets 1 more upvote!
    – Kevin B
    Jul 10, 2015 at 19:54
  • I would replace word "spend" with "invest" Jul 13, 2015 at 6:03
  • Why doesn't this same logic apply to upvotes?
    – Sherman
    Jun 12, 2022 at 23:09
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Supposing, for the sake of answering your question as posed, that the quoted reason:

I am competing with other answerers for the precious repz, so there should be a cost for me to downvote

is indeed the reason.

Then there is no difference between your own questions and other questions because you can answer your own questions. So you are competing for the precious repz.

Now, you might say, "but I'm not planning to answer my own questions. So I'm not competing. Stick that in your pipe and smoke it". This is fair, but it still doesn't create a difference between your questions and other people's questions, since there are many questions that you did not ask, that you might like to downvote answers on, but have no intention of answering yourself. It only points to the need to slightly reword the quoted reason. It's not that you are competing with all the answers you downvote, it's that you might be competing already and even if not you could compete in future.

This still doesn't really justify the quoted reason. After all, the system could charge you a point for a downvote only if you've answered the question already, or when you answer a question for the first time it could immediately charge you one point per downvote you've previously made. This would satisfy the quoted reason (charging you for downvoting your competitors), without charging you in the case where you are not competing and therefore the reason for the charge does not apply. Because that's possible but isn't how it works, I don't believe that the quoted reason is all there is to it. But that doubt still doesn't lead to the conclusion that you should not be charged for downvoting answers to your own questions. It leads to the conclusion that you should not be charged for downvoting answers to questions you don't answer, irrespective of whether you asked them or not.

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    +1 for the "Stick that in your pipe and smoke it"
    – Aleks G
    Jul 13, 2015 at 18:52
  • But you DO NOT get rep for answering your own questions, so that entire argument is invalid, only up votes count, not accepts when answering your own questions
    – Sammaye
    Jul 13, 2015 at 19:40
  • @Sammaye: And you aren't vieing for upvotes from the same people in the same question? Jul 13, 2015 at 20:03
  • @Deduplicator yeah but that's not up to you, there's no route for abuse that isn't visible to the bot
    – Sammaye
    Jul 13, 2015 at 20:04
  • @Deduplicator Basically should someone be punished for putting a genuinely awesome answer to their own question that attracts up votes? Such an action should go unnoticed on this site imo it is part of the site
    – Sammaye
    Jul 13, 2015 at 20:07
  • @Sammaye: Sorry, how are they punished? They just don't get any extra advantage (free rep and a place in the spot-light by self-acceptance). And they aren't getting any waiver to rep-investment for downvoting annulled. Jul 13, 2015 at 20:14
  • @Deduplicator they are not directly punished but if you use the logic that they are punished for downvoting other answers then it does seem as though they are punished for placing that awesome answer. I guess it just seems from the other answers that is all about handicapping the user to make abuse harder but it seems there isn't rally anymore room than there is atm
    – Sammaye
    Jul 13, 2015 at 20:17
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Your argument seems to be that the only reason for downvotes costing rep is to stop people from abusing it to win at rep. So it's not needed in a case where it wouldn't help you win at rep. However, making the game of winning at rep "fair" is not the primary goal of many of the site's rules.

Having your answer down-voted doesn't feel good, if you did actually put effort into it and try to be helpful. Getting downvoted feels a lot worse than simply not getting upvoted. This will turn some people away that could have contributed useful answers to other questions.

Giving the asker free downvotes on answers to their question would to some degree encourage them to take advantage of the ability. Answers would be downvoted that wouldn't have been if the cost had still been there. But the important point is that these downvotes are unlikely to make the site better, compared to leaving a comment on an answer that's not bad enough to want to lose 1 rep downvoting.

Since there's only one asker per question, this is only at most a -1 difference. So again, unlikely to make the site better.

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    "making the game of winning at rep "fair" is not the primary goal of many of the site's rules" -- IMHO, this is really the most useful part of this answer, and should be the lead. That some people might not "feel good" having their answer down-voted is (should be) irrelevant; this has nothing to do with why it costs a point to down-vote an answer. Jul 13, 2015 at 2:45
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    Actually, I think the "feels good" factor is important. Even infrequently being told that someone thought the time you spent on writing an answer actually made the site worse would turn some people off from using the site. The community would be poorer as a result (if the answers weren't actually bad, but just someone didn't like them, and was able to downvote them without any rep cost.) I agree with your point, though, and moved up the "winning at rep" paragraph. Jul 13, 2015 at 3:39
  • The problem is abuse exists now, I mean -1 rep is almost free for me I could easily abuse it, anyone with more than 100 rep could easily abuse downvoting. What stops the abuse is not the cost but bots that trawl the site looking for voting irregularlities
    – Sammaye
    Jul 13, 2015 at 19:54
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Most people seem to be confused here.

YOU DO NOT GET REP FROM ACCEPTING YOUR OWN ANSWER ONLY FROM UP VOTES FROM OTHERS

In fact I am not sure if you even get the +2 rep for accepting an answer, cannot quite remember.

As such the whole case about competing for rep blah-de-blah is invalid. If you answer you own question you do so without any rep gain, as a person who has answered many of my own questions I know.

I actually agree, as the asker you know which answers help and which do not so why should you get punished for stating that an answer is unhelpful by downvoting it?

I know "punished" is a harsh word but many do see any rep loss as exactly that: being punished. With this in mind you are punishing an asker in their own question because they decided that an answerer did not help them and provided an unhelpful answer.

Not only that but if you genuinely provide an unhelpful answer you will most likely suffer much worse at the hands of the rest of the community as they pass their downvotes so I do not see this making people leave anymore than our current rules.

So I am actually with you on this one, I would see this change come to pass, especially for newbies asking questions.

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    I'm not convinced that this implies you aren't competing for rep. You still get rep from upvotes, and if your +0 answer is up there next to a -1 answer, you're probably going to get more upvotes due to people piling on and following the initial downvote with more. Jul 13, 2015 at 20:07
  • Considering how many new users upvote, I'm not convinced removing the rep-investment of answer-downvotes for the asker is actually such a good idea. Or at least, not a better idea than for anyone else. Jul 13, 2015 at 20:07
  • @ChrisHayes I personally don't see that. I have had other answerers on questions I answered do the same and were sent to school by the community
    – Sammaye
    Jul 13, 2015 at 20:10
  • @ChrisHayes remember I can downvote your answer if I wanna sabotage you for my own answer and say there was a problem with your answer and the mods couldn't do anything
    – Sammaye
    Jul 13, 2015 at 20:11
  • @Deduplicator maybe, personally I see it as not causing any damage considering the current rules and the ease of seeing vote fraud. It might ease the asker to not be punished cos that's the problem, you are punishing the asker for them thinking an answer doesn't help them
    – Sammaye
    Jul 13, 2015 at 20:14
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    I can only even potentially see any sort of reasoning behind removing the rep loss in the case that the asker does not lose rep if they haven't posted their own answer to the question. At the same time, if they later post an answer to the question, the loss of rep would need to retroactively kick in and cause the asker to lose a point per downvote, to prevent them downvoting an answer they posting the same thing reworded without punishment. But even then, I really can't see why it would even be remotely worth it to go to all this trouble to make another special case for the OP.
    – Kendra
    Jul 13, 2015 at 20:28
  • @Kendra it could be seen as too much effort, a feature for when no others exist, I'll give you that
    – Sammaye
    Jul 13, 2015 at 20:32

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