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I just failed a LQP audit on this https://stackoverflow.com/review/low-quality-posts/8384194.

I flagged it as a link-only answer, but apparently because the answer was deemed useful and got 5 upvotes/25 bonus points makes it not a link-only answer. In that case, why are we being ambushed and not shown that information at the time of review?

Ordinarily, I wouldn't put a rant on meta, but this is adding insult to injury as last week I was review-banned for marking an answer as OK when the system said it was a link-only answer. That answer actually did answer the question but happened to add a link for extra info.

Anyone care to point out where I'm going wrong?

I now have a 7-day review ban thanks to this issue, but the irony is that the answer used for the audit has now actually been deleted!

Oh well, I guess while I'm in exile I can at least bask in the glow of my own righteousness.

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    lucky it does not come to my review queue.I would fail too :) Jun 9, 2015 at 22:06
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    @BradleyDotNET worth noting that bounty (+25) was auto awarded; asker wasn't involved
    – gnat
    Jun 9, 2015 at 22:06
  • Timeline, for reference. Jun 9, 2015 at 22:08
  • Relevant: meta.stackoverflow.com/a/275272 "bad audits are like plane crashes" Jun 9, 2015 at 22:13
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    Can't you fix the audit for the future by taking the OPPOSITE action? (obviously won't fix your problem). But IIRC, this answer is an audit because NO ONE DVed it. So if you DV it, you will make sure it won't appear in future audits. Again, nothing good for you right now...
    – Patrice
    Jun 9, 2015 at 22:15
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    That post is definitely VLQ. I've dv'ed, in the hopes that eventually it'll go negative and we can get rid of it.
    – Aify
    Jun 9, 2015 at 22:20
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    Looks like a rotten apple on a sign to me. Am I seriously the only person who doesn't know what this means? Also: not a pony-farm - I mean, I can tell from context what it means but if feels like I'm missing a key reference.
    – BSMP
    Jun 10, 2015 at 3:30
  • @BSMP Googling "rotten apple on a sign" yields 1 result, the above comment from BradleyDotNET. So it' either a very colloquial saying of his, or a typo. Either way, I'm interpreting it as an indication of support. :) Pony-farm (I believe) is meant to indicate a wonderful place where everything (and everyone) is fantastic and you have a wonderful time. As πάντα ῥεῖ says, this is (normally) not your usual SO experience.
    – DeanOC
    Jun 10, 2015 at 3:56
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    @BradleyDotNET was referencing (if I'm correct) "Your answer is in another castle: when is an answer not an answer?".
    – royhowie
    Jun 10, 2015 at 4:48
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    @Deduplicator bad audits may be like plane crashes - to the people involved they are serious. First the system throws some junk at the reviewer, then when the reviewer answers correctly, they get hit with "you're wrong - click I Understand". Bring on the "I don't understand" button, I say. Jun 10, 2015 at 13:05
  • @royhowie Yep, that is what I was referencing :) (note the included pictures) Jun 10, 2015 at 15:51
  • @DeanOC my comment was cleansed (and the responses to it purged), but I wasn't actually calling you uncultured—I was not trying to insult you in any way. I'm sorry the sarcasm in the comment wasn't apparent enough.
    – royhowie
    Jun 10, 2015 at 17:37
  • @royhowie Actually my bad. You didn't insult me at all, and I was being sarcastic myself (why won't they invent an internet where sarcasm is not misconstrued??). Sorry for making you think I was being serious. Thanks for the link to the apples post; I learnt something new.
    – DeanOC
    Jun 10, 2015 at 18:29
  • This is a perfect example of Poe's Law.
    – royhowie
    Jun 10, 2015 at 18:30
  • I object to being asked to click a button bearing a statement with which I disagree. Whether I genuinely don't understand, or do understand but disagree, I'm not clicking that button. It's the reason why I don't bother with the review queue anymore.
    – Strawberry
    Oct 4, 2016 at 13:05

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Bad audits happen to everyone. They are a consequence of the automated method in which audits are selected (mostly due to bad upvotes).

If you are unsure of whether an audit is good or bad, feel free to post on meta and ask for feedback. You may learn something. You may be surprised to see how many times there is a "bad" audit that was actually good. Worst case is you'll be told that the audit was truly crap and you lost nothing except for meta rep nothing.

But if you are certain it is a bad audit, then just chalk it up to bad luck. Some real crap gets stupid upvotes all the time, and as a consequence they can be selected as audits. If you find a crap post as an audit, then just go to the actual post and do the opposite that the audit wanted (upvote a "known bad post" or downvote/vote-to-close a "known good post"). That will help ensure no one else is trapped by the same post by disqualifying it as an audit.

Fortunately, 1 failed audit is not going to impact you significantly. You can't get banned from reviewing from a single bad audit and fortunately there not that many bad audits so you should not see serious punishment from bad audits. If you are extremely unlucky and get a number of bad audits, you can try contacting the SE community team for a reprieve (see the "contact us" link in the footer). It would help your case with specific examples so be sure to mention the bad audits in your message.

You may also be interested in Review audits and "I understand" button on MSE.

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    Thanks. From others' responses, it seems to me that it was more of a case that I was unlucky to cop a dodgy audit rather than there being a fundamental problem with my definition of a link-only answer. So I'll just move on. :)
    – DeanOC
    Jun 10, 2015 at 0:10
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    @DeanOC the simplest test I know for detecting a worthless link-only answer is to ignore the links. If you understand that there is an answer (maybe a bad one, but still a valid answer) without the links, then it is not link only. If there is no answer, just a bunch of words that say "go here", then it is link only. Jun 10, 2015 at 0:24
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    Do we need audits for audits...?
    – deceze Mod
    Jun 10, 2015 at 12:56
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    @deceze despite the complaints on meta, I don't think the audits are really as bad as it seems since no one every opens a post to say what a good audit a question was. But the MSE proposal I linked is probably the best solution to the problem (specifically Brad's answer), Jun 10, 2015 at 13:02
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    @deceze Yes, desperately. I volunteer.
    – TylerH
    Jun 11, 2015 at 1:19
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    @psubsee2003: There's a certain amount of resignation that sets in; I've reported maybe two or three bad audits, but the results from those reports have not been sufficiently positive to encourage me to report the other three or four dozen I've run into. (I've toyed with the idea of simply biting the bullet and reporting every single audit I disagree with, but that seems too much like "Don't disrupt Wikipedia to prove a point" for my liking.) Jun 11, 2015 at 1:38
  • @NathanTuggy then let's support Brad's idea - I'll go throw a bounty on it now Jun 11, 2015 at 8:53
  • Two things that are wrong: If you were banned from review in the last 30 days, you can get banned again just for a single fail. Also, you don't need to contact SE to have a review ban lifted; moderators can lift the ban after a meta question, and it's better to post on meta about a bad review audit so other users can make it even less likely to show up as an audit again.
    – gparyani
    Dec 15, 2017 at 15:46
  • @gparyani I never said that you won't get banned for a single fail after getting banned. I said "you can't get banned for failing a single audit" which is still true. Once you have been banned, if you fail again, you are getting judged on both the new failure and your past history of failure. Dec 15, 2017 at 16:02
  • @gparyani also, yes, moderators can unban you, but there is no direct means of communicating with moderators short of a meta post or finding one in chat. With the employee route, you have a direct means of communication, which makes it easier to state your case. Dec 15, 2017 at 16:08
  • "You can't get banned for failing a single audit" implies that there is no case under which one can get banned for a single fail. This is not the case; if one has gotten banned in the last 30 days, then that is one case where one can get banned for a single fail.
    – gparyani
    Dec 15, 2017 at 16:13

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