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The newcomers of this forum certainly do not want to be discouraged by downvotes cast against the early questions/answers in their childhood period. Even with the very elegant, well designed, helpful and descriptive tour provided by the forum guys, silly mistakes are most likely to be made by the absolute beginners like me.

When I first came across this useful site, I was thrilled about it; but now I'm discouraged by continuous downvotes.

I would like the downvoters rather leaving useful comments that I personally think might be even more effective than the downvoting strategy.

Useful comments would likely to serve two purposes at a time

  1. discouraging the OP from posting similar silly posts
  2. encouraging to develop the future posts.

What do you guys think about it? The effect of downvoting has been so much on me that, I am even afraid of this post being downvoted resulting in my reputation score going down to the minimum possible value :(.

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    This isn't a useful comment. (or @Will style afgjfghjjfvdafhxdfyxgfcgjkvhkjxdaghcghch Tony the Pony) Jun 2, 2015 at 21:24
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    And downvotes don't affect rep on Meta. Jun 2, 2015 at 21:24
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    You can only make useful comments when you fully understand the problem.
    – ashubuntu
    Jun 2, 2015 at 21:25
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    If you're having trouble with your questions being downvoted, have you checked out the How to Ask page yet? It has advice on writing good questions, and links to extra material you can read. Try reading that and looking back at your downvoted questions to see if you can figure out what's wrong. Since comments on downvotes aren't mandatory, nor should they be (and that has been discussed to death, just search meta for it), the best you can hope for is someone being kind enough to comment, and being able to figure the problem with your question out yourself otherwise.
    – Kendra
    Jun 2, 2015 at 21:28
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    What exactly do you want to discuss? At this point, this reads like you are ranting against people downvoting questions just because they were asked by a new users. That particular discussion has been discussed to death. If you have a specific question you would like someone to help you understand why it was downvoted and how to improve it, the Meta community can certainly help. Jun 2, 2015 at 21:29
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    @ashubuntu "You can only make useful comments ..." You may receive upvotes with well asked questions. Do you want to have mandatory comments why your questions are upvoted as well (I 'm eager to see these lots and lots, we have so many unconscious upvote mokeys and sockpuppets here)? Jun 2, 2015 at 21:29
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    Useful comments would ... discourag[e] the OP from posting similar silly posts all eveidence to the contrary. Sorry this is suggested several times a week. Jun 2, 2015 at 21:30
  • ashubuntu I think you missed @πάνταῥεῖ 's point.... (and mine, was my comment really useful?) Jun 2, 2015 at 21:33
  • @ashubuntu The wonderful SO IKEA shop for how to build good questions. Jun 2, 2015 at 21:33
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    I was just telling myself that we haven't seen this in a couple of days.... of course. Anyway, with the AMOUNT of crap on this site and the limited number of users who try to keep quality up, new users can't be cuddled too much. It's a shame sometimes but it's the reality of what stack has to deal with. ...
    – Patrice
    Jun 2, 2015 at 21:34
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    Your assumption this is a forum might cause also some of the confusion...
    – rene
    Jun 2, 2015 at 21:54
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    It's easy to take voting personally; ideally it would not be. With bad blood so fast and frequent, it suggests something could be improved. I'd like to see better methods of enculturation--while SO has no problem being whimsical on April Fools day or making hats in winter...it doesn't feel very whimsical when new users are thrown in the "deep end of the pool". But even minor things aren't tried, like my pre-flight checklist. For the moment, quality control is seen as higher priority than kindness...hopefully they'll be equal someday. :-/ Jun 2, 2015 at 22:37
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    Judging from the comments, I will guess that this is what prompted this meta post? The simplest answer I can give you is your question was closed and downvoted because your question was effectively asking for "complete reference of the Java language constructs that are by one way or another related to image handling". While you say "For the beginners, this type of questions is common", these types of questions are not appropriate for Stack Overflow. We are looking for specific questions and not just a "where can I get this" requests. Jun 3, 2015 at 1:00
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    Downvoted because of a yellow submarine stealing my keys
    – user4756884
    Jun 3, 2015 at 3:11
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    There is a problem with bad questions and so, yet again, someone wants to move the onus to solve it from the questions posters to the SO answer contributors. We don't have time to provide comments because we're too busy answering the X good questions and down/close voting the 100X bad questions. Jun 3, 2015 at 8:39

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What do you guys think about it?

That it isn't useful in the end, to require comments on up- or down-votes. These have been designed like this very concsiously. All of the necessary information and signal to anyone given with an up- or downvote is pretty clear and shown when hovering the corresponding buttons with your mouse pointer

  • At the down button:

    This question does not show any research effort, it is unclear or not useful

  • At the up button:

    This question shows research effort, it is useful and clear


"... of this forum ..."

First you should notice that SO isn't a forum but a question and answer site.

silly mistakes are most likely to be made by the absolute beginners like me.

Yes, that's probable.

When I first came across this useful site, I was thrilled about it; but now I'm discouraged by continuous downvotes.

If you see a downvote it's a sign that you need to clarify or improve your question. These are actually meant to encourage you to do so (check the tooltip appearing when hovering your mouse pointer over the downvote button), and not the opposite (discouraging you to ask).

An additional comment would just generate unnecessary noise.

Useful comments would likely to serve two purposes at a time - discouraging the OP from posting similar silly posts and encouraging to develop the future posts.

There's no need to force downvoters to leave useful comments, as mentioned above the downvote itself already contains enough information signal, that something's wrong with the questions (well, there may be unjustified downvotes, but these will not hold over time, when there's no real problem with the question).


To improve downvoted questions, you can always double check the Help Center, How do I ask a good question? in particular.


I am even afraid of this post being downvoted resulting in my reputation score going down to the minimum possible value :(.

It's pretty much downvoted currently, and as you can see there's no effect on your main user account's reputation.

Downvotes on meta are different.

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    I would downvote against your answer if I could because your answer doesn't seem to suit my question. How do you feel about that, boss, even with 28.1k score?
    – ashubuntu
    Jun 2, 2015 at 22:04
  • @ashubuntu "I would downvote against your answer if I could" Can't you do so here?? Well s.o. else seemed to follow your opinion. I think my answer is well formatted to give answers about your doubts and questions. If you don't believe so, improve your question and clarify please. Jun 2, 2015 at 22:11
  • Please don't be over-confident about the posts you make. You as well as others have definitely missed the moral viewpoint of my question. You all just want to answer very rigidly (this is very typical of the programmers, according to me) and downvote if questions/answers don't match your quality, I mean your expertise. But questions should be answered so that the query maker can understand with the ability he has got so far.
    – ashubuntu
    Jun 2, 2015 at 22:24
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    @ashubuntu if multiple people (or everyone) misses the 'moral viewpoint' of your question, that's probably a sign that your question isn't particularly clear.
    – TZHX
    Jun 2, 2015 at 22:26
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    @ashubuntu There's no moral viewpoint to be regarded (well there are moral policies we have, but not regarding your particular doubts about what downvoting is meant to), or need to cuddle newbies and wrap them with cotton on this site. We've been doing all our best to make it clear in the Help Center, and the SE policies. Jun 2, 2015 at 22:28
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    @ashubuntu just the way you say it ("how do you feel about that, boss") shows your general attitude around downvotes and this community. Honestly, take a breather, realize the rules of this community exist to help the site prosper, and try to work with the rules instead of bucking up and stomping your feet...
    – Patrice
    Jun 2, 2015 at 23:23
  • I upvoted this answer as being clear and very much in line to what I was thinking.
    – user4756884
    Jun 3, 2015 at 7:54
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Down-vote or give advice in comments?

I very often do both. But if I only have time for one, it'll be the first.

Down votes are not meant just to be feedback to the person who asked the question. They are meant as feedback to other users to signal that it is a bad question.

There is no shortage of people willing to ask bad questions. People have a finite amount of time to invest in this site, limited by their life span, and though many of us do try to encourage people to improve their questions

The sad fact is that a lot of users just dump their questions here and bugger off.

Every user, before asking their questions, is encouraged to read the "About" and "How to Ask" pages. Yet... clearly a lot of them don't. When a user with 1 reputation posts who doesn't have the "Informed" badge we can be almost sure that person hasn't spent just a few minutes to look and see what this site is about.

If your question is being down-voted, be sure you understand the tour and have read and absorbed the ask pages. Provide a Minimal, complete, verifiable example. Put some effort into the formatting.

If you're afraid of receiving down-votes for bad questions, then good. Anything that motivates people to not ask bad questions is the system at least partially working. If you're continuously receiving down votes on your questions then take a step back and try to see why -- rather than blaming the system.

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  • It's all about uncommented down-votes here ;-) ... Jun 2, 2015 at 22:23
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    @πάνταῥεῖ Indeed. My meta rep ego will never recover from this injustice.
    – TZHX
    Jun 2, 2015 at 22:25
  • @tzhx Don't be upset. I accept your answer, and upvote because you have been more logical and softer in answering the question. Congrats from a newbie...
    – ashubuntu
    Jun 2, 2015 at 22:32
  • @ashubuntu I have been well friendly and professional in what I'm saying, can't see about how getting "softer" for your taste. You're just judging by rep of the poster I believe ;-) ... Well, you hate bosses, I do so to. I'm not your boss because having ~760 times more rep than you have. Jun 2, 2015 at 22:37
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    @πάνταῥεῖ I assure you it wasn't my intent to be "soft". I don't see any substantial difference between my answer and yours -- you just type faster. :)
    – TZHX
    Jun 2, 2015 at 22:40
  • @TZHX I love to see the free flooding down-, up-votes and accepts on meta, beyond any moral :-D. It just shows so beautifully how the system really works ;-) ... Jun 2, 2015 at 22:47
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    @ashubuntu And now you unaccepted this answer?? Because it got downvotes? Did it serve you well or not? You're just a coward, sorry (and being so about void virtual internet reputation points). How awkward is this please? Jun 2, 2015 at 23:34
  • @TZHX Of course that downvote was unjustified, but tactical. I think you received that well. Jun 2, 2015 at 23:40

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