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I propose that we burninate the tag. There is no reason for SO to have it. Of the 457 questions tagged with it, 244 of them (53%) are closed of off-topic. I'm sure there are many more which should be closed, or are used improperly. It evens says in the tag wiki for

If you’re using this tag here, your question is probably not appropriate for Stack Overflow.

Then why do we even have this tag! It literally says you probably shouldn't be using this tag! So lets get rid of it, including its counterparts (gnu, licensing, open-source) by an edit, retag, down vote or close vote/flag.

Make it go kaboom!

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    Before anyone starts, just start closing the OT questions and then vote to close/downvote so ROOMBA do its work.
    – Braiam
    Commented May 24, 2015 at 1:37
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    I'm not sure if truelicensing is bad per sé. It appears to be a licensing management API, and API usage itself is generally on-topic. Still, might want to check if those questions are about the API use, or are about the licensing decisions
    – MSalters
    Commented May 26, 2015 at 14:47
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    From the [truelicense] excerpt: *is a comprehensive open source license management engine and API for the Java Virtual Machine." So there should not be an issue with this tag.
    – Zizouz212
    Commented May 26, 2015 at 20:21
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    A question is "locked for historical reasons". Apart from the fact it is a pretty interesting topic for programmers, is it possible to remove the legal now, or will it only disappear when the tag itself gets ritually cleansed?
    – Jongware
    Commented May 26, 2015 at 20:22
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    If anything, maybe having the tag is good so when people add it they read it and reconsider posting the question here? Commented May 27, 2015 at 19:32
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    @CaptainMan that would assume that users read the tag wiki's when posting the question, half the time they don't even read the question
    – user4639281
    Commented May 29, 2015 at 6:57
  • @Humble The question I suppose is will more people read the tag wiki or will more people be influenced by its existence. Regardless I think less people will be affected by absence of it than will be affected by reading it. Commented May 29, 2015 at 13:17
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    I have removed the reference to Programmers from the wiki excerpt as it was never really appropriate.
    – ChrisF Mod
    Commented May 29, 2015 at 16:24
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    Law.SE is coming out of private beta in a few days, perhaps we can throw that into the tag wiki? The questions will be on topic there, if they're good questions.
    – dsolimano
    Commented May 31, 2015 at 18:19
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    About most of these questions: Tags based on open source licenses or anything about open source development are on-topic at Open Source. We accept license recommendations too :)
    – Zizouz212
    Commented Oct 31, 2015 at 1:33

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All off topic questions closed, thank you everyone that helped!

You can still help out in a few different ways:

Ensure future questions get closed quickly

Unfortunately, even with many of these tags having updated wiki guidance, people are still using these tags. To check to make sure these are still closed, use these searches:

All open questions with these tags

Edit and delete closed questions to finish burning the tag.


Done

  • All off-topic questions are closed, there are on-topic questions left:

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  • 2617 open licensing questions suggest that the way of code-golf looks worth considering for these
    – gnat
    Commented May 25, 2015 at 20:40
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    @gnat these are on topic at Law.StackExchange, soon to be in public beta.
    – dsolimano
    Commented May 31, 2015 at 18:18
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    @dsolimano However, most of these questions are too old to migrate, and even so, you can't migrate questions to beta sites without extraordinary intervention.
    – TylerH
    Commented Jun 2, 2015 at 18:18
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    @TylerH yeah I'm not proposing migration at this point, just some pointer somewhere that these questions are very much on topic on another Stack Exchange.
    – dsolimano
    Commented Jun 3, 2015 at 11:48
  • We are coming up on a more challenging stage of this cleanup. The last 3 tags are likely to have many on-topic questions. So we need to figure out a way to track what has been reviewed. We could use pairs of tags like @rene added. So if we review each pair in turn, and then grab more pairs once those are done? Commented Jun 8, 2015 at 23:59
  • @JasonMArcher here is the SEDE query I used. Not all tag communities are open for moderation activities but we could check in each dedicated room to see of they are willing to help.
    – rene
    Commented Jun 9, 2015 at 7:02
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    Just noticed proprietary (and a synonym) which can probably be added to this list. Commented Jun 14, 2015 at 4:54
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    @rene: Particularly if your objective is to burninate licensing, android-lvl will be a more apropos tag for many of those. Questions regarding Play Services licensing APIs and such would be relevant for SO, so downvotes would not be an appropriate measure. I have re-tagged some already and will continue working on them over time. Commented Jun 14, 2015 at 12:05
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    We aren't necessary trying to burn "licensing". It has on-topic uses. Commented Jun 14, 2015 at 16:58
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    Please do not 'burninate' gnu. It's used for software tools and gnu extensions for C and C++ as well.
    – Rapptz
    Commented Jun 17, 2015 at 23:28
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    @Deduplicator GNU make, GNU grep, etc.
    – Rapptz
    Commented Jun 18, 2015 at 0:09
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    GNU is on this list due to the GNU public license. My query shows a lot of those question go together with c. I tried asking in the Lounge if maybe gnu-c would be useful. To be clear: It is not the goal to burninate the tag, the goal is to get all legal related questions closed. Those last ones are less easy because the tag is used in several contexts. @Rapptz
    – rene
    Commented Jun 18, 2015 at 7:31
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    At what point are we going to consider licensing "done"? I've started moving on to open-source but I see that the tag is still listed. Commented Jun 19, 2015 at 22:14
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    @KevinBrown If we believe that the tag is clean enough to give active followers the chance to keep the tag clean without our effort and that not many cases exist that can be used as evidence that legal stuff is OK tp ask. But I'm afraid that is not a hard number. I can run my sede query again on sunday to see what is left? I'll do the same for GNU and open-source.
    – rene
    Commented Jun 19, 2015 at 22:26
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    I'm having a hard time finding any very bad questions under [gnu]. I vote we give it a clean bill of health. Commented Jun 23, 2015 at 19:59
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  • 50% reached at around 2015-06-08 05:00:00Z
    – Pang
    Commented Jun 8, 2015 at 5:03
  • 100% reached around 2015-07-05. [open-source] declared almost clean of off-topic questions and can be handled on its own now. Commented Jul 6, 2015 at 16:58
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I think that legal questions should be allowed if they are about the following topics:

Specific programming problems
Software algorithms
Coding techniques
Software development tools

The reasons are very simple. The legal factor is very important in the Software Development. Before starting to code, we need to have at least a notion of the factibility of our solution.

I already read the following post: How do we handle ethical/legal questions?

And I disagree with the answer. It is a waste of time to code something illegal. The legal factor has something to do with the programming. In the other hand we are not lawyers, but here in Stack Overflow there are newbie programmers(mostly students) and experienced programmers. This tab will preferably help the newbies because they usually can't afford to hire a lawyer to solve a small concern about a particular software algorithm he is considering to use for example. I think the experienced programmers can give some directions to the newbies so they don't commit stupid mistakes.

I don't think we need to be lawyers to know that kill a person is illegal in most countries. In the same way for experienced programmers some legal question could be obvious, but for a newbie not.

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    You are clearly not understanding the first item you quoted... a specific programming problem is about a specific problem with a piece of code. If you haven't started writing anything, then you don't have a specific programming problem, you have a design problem. As such, the question is not appropriate for Stack Overflow. Some design questions are on-topic for Programmers.SE, but as always, you should consult the help center first Commented Aug 10, 2015 at 22:57
  • Fair point, but what about a software algorithms for example? And I still can write a piece of code as a prototype just to ask if it is legal. I know that this rule of legal equal to offtopic is legendary, but I think we have to reconsider it. Commented Aug 10, 2015 at 23:05
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    But you still aren't asking for a problem with a specific piece of code. You are asking about the design of that code. Commented Aug 10, 2015 at 23:13
  • If I have a problem with the design then it is a programing problem. Programming is not equal to coding(cs.toronto.edu/~penny/teaching/csc2123/phases.html). Even if you are right, Stack Overflow let me ask something about the four topics I quoted so I still should be able to ask legal questions about the other three topics. Commented Aug 10, 2015 at 23:20
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    I appreciate the fact that you want to ask these questions on Stack Overflow, but the simple fact is that no matter how your try to spin it, a legal question about an API, library, software algorithm, piece of code, etc is still a conceptual question and not a practical one, and thus is not on-topic for Stack Overflow. Commented Aug 11, 2015 at 0:05
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Legal stuff is part of life, and part of software development, too.

If someone is interested in this aspect of the subject, he should be allowed to use the related tags.

Thanks to tags, there can be no cluttering due to subjects that are not strictly technical.

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    These kinds of questions have been off-topic at Stack Overflow for years. Having off-topic tags encourages off-topic questions (I have already had 1 person try to justify their question with that logic). Commented Jun 9, 2015 at 16:45
  • @JasonMArcher: Saying the tags are off-topic is not quite right for some of them. Admittedly, even the better tags attracte orders of magnitude more off-topic than on-topic questions, with answers at best boiling down to "that's my guess, but ask a lawyer", or even a straight "ask a lawyer". Commented Jun 9, 2015 at 17:36
  • True, I didn't mean to imply that all the tags are off-topic. Commented Jun 9, 2015 at 18:10

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