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I've just had a look at this feature-request to remove reputation for rejected edits. The reason that this suggestion was rejected is that people are reluctant to reject edits and end up approving bad ones.

My suggestion is, rather than discouraging edit rejections by subtracting rep from the editor, why not block his/her reputation gains if edits are rejected.

i.e. If you propose a rejected edit you need to have 5 edits accepted before you start getting +2 rep again.

I'm particularly thinking of the <2000 rep users but I guess it could apply to users of any rep (remember >2000 rep users get rep for editing tag wikis).

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  • If people are making mass edits for reputation how will this stop people from doing it? Won't it just mean they make more edits to get the same reputation?
    – Joe W
    Commented May 12, 2015 at 13:34
  • They lose incentive to do useless edits that get rejected. So it encourages good, worthwhile edits.
    – jcuenod
    Commented May 12, 2015 at 13:35
  • What do you mean it could be applied across the board? Edits can't be rejected after 2k rep, because they don't go to the queue, nor do >2k rep users get +2 rep for editing. It doesn't seem like you've completely figured out what you're even proposing.
    – Sam Hanley
    Commented May 12, 2015 at 13:37
  • @sphanley >2k rep users get rep for tag wiki edits.
    – jcuenod
    Commented May 12, 2015 at 13:39
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    The problem is that to many bad edits get approved, having a system like this will just cause more bad edits to be suggested in the first place which will cause more bad edits to be approved. Taking longer to get the full amount of rep from edits won't discourage people who where willing to make a lot of edits in the first place.
    – Joe W
    Commented May 12, 2015 at 13:49
  • @JoeW I'm not sure how this will make more bad edits get suggested. It will surely encourage increased quality edit suggestions with the threat that potential rep gain is seriously mitigated. All you need is one in 5 accurate edit rejections and the editor's gain is completely undermined. Making lots of pointless edits is effectively discouraged.
    – jcuenod
    Commented May 12, 2015 at 13:52
  • @jcuenod That's only true when bad edits get rejected. They don't; they get accepted, so this fails as a deterrent.
    – Servy
    Commented May 12, 2015 at 13:56
  • If people are making bad edits because they want "Easy" rep, they still will but have to make more when they do get rejected.
    – Joe W
    Commented May 12, 2015 at 13:57
  • @JoeW I disagree, if you don't gain by making bad edits, there's no point in making more of them. Like I say, it only takes 1 in 5 accurate edit rejections. What will happen instead is that they will make better edit suggestions for the same "easy rep" (except then, we won't mind).
    – jcuenod
    Commented May 12, 2015 at 13:59
  • @Servy right now all that happens is that they get accepted. What I'm suggesting will mean that just 1 rejection effectively nullifies 5 bad approvals.
    – jcuenod
    Commented May 12, 2015 at 14:02
  • And when they're getting accepted, that doesn't matter.
    – Servy
    Commented May 12, 2015 at 14:03
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    @jcuenod Does it matter? That rep is a nice bonus to me as an editor editing to help. I don't gain rep very quickly as I'm not knowledgable, or fast, enough to answer questions right now and I try not to ask questions unless I'm completely out of options. This suggestion would hinder good users like me who are actively and helpfully contributing in the best way we can.
    – Kendra
    Commented May 12, 2015 at 14:08
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    And how are invalid approvals countered by a feature like this? If anything, this feature encourages invalid approvals.
    – Cerbrus
    Commented May 12, 2015 at 14:13
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    Several people out of a massive userbase. Let's say 3 people suggest inverting the site's colors, they get downvoted into oblivion because the suggestion is rediculous. Should that suggestion still spark a real debate because multiple people suggested it?
    – Cerbrus
    Commented May 12, 2015 at 14:39
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    I'm not saying there isn't a problem. However, unless you can come up with a good solution, there isn't much to discuss.
    – Cerbrus
    Commented May 12, 2015 at 15:24

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I don't agree with this suggestion.

SO's rep system is for a large part based on positive feedback. Sure, downvotes will lose you some rep, but that amount is insignificant to how much you receive for 1 upvote.

An addition like this feels like "punishment". It'd only serve to discourage users from suggesting edits completely.

When too many edit suggestions get rejected, a user will already get blocked from suggesting edits (afaik).
Requiring any amount of accepted suggestions before you can gain rep again can be very confusing, not to mention frustrating if someone invalidates a decent (/good) edit.

It will end up punishing users with good intentions to an extent that they may stop suggesting edits.

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  • It is a punishment: for bad editing. It also doesn't cost any rep at all. I didn't know that users get blocked from editing if they have too many rejections. I honestly don't think users who are making good edits will be negatively affected by this - the general problem is that bad edits get rejected not that good edits do.
    – jcuenod
    Commented May 12, 2015 at 14:14
  • @Cerbrus How would punishing users that made bad edits (even if with good intentions) stop them from suggesting edits? Do downvotes in bad question deter people from keep asking questions? Commented May 12, 2015 at 14:15
  • @jcuenod Users who make good edits but only when they know it's a good edit and therefore don't edit incredibly often will be negatively affected by this, potentially to the point of not wanting to edit ever again. (I personally wouldn't stop editing because of such a thing, but it would be a stupid thing to do to a positively contributing user.) Also! Moderators can now manually ban users from suggesting edits so why would we want to risk hurting good editors when bad editors can already be stopped/discouraged?
    – Kendra
    Commented May 12, 2015 at 14:18
  • @jcuenod: it does cost the user rep he would otherwise have gained from perfectly good edits, just because someone invalidated an edit that may have been perfectly fine. I've had plenty of my proper edits invalidated, back in the day. Either by the OP, or reviewers that simply didn't pay attention.
    – Cerbrus
    Commented May 12, 2015 at 14:19
  • Good edits get approved. The problem is really not good edits being rejected.
    – jcuenod
    Commented May 12, 2015 at 14:19
  • If good edits are being rejected en masse, then I'm happy to say that this is a bad idea.
    – jcuenod
    Commented May 12, 2015 at 14:20
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    @AlvaroMontoro: This feature would punish users not only for that specific edit, but also for a couple of edits afterwards. It's excessive. Excessive punishment is a damn good way to demotivate someone.
    – Cerbrus
    Commented May 12, 2015 at 14:20
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    @jcuenod: Enough good edits get rejected to make a measure this severe a bad idea.
    – Cerbrus
    Commented May 12, 2015 at 14:21
  • @Cerbrus I understand that this feature is too harsh and not good. But I personally think that a less harsh solution is needed. And involving punishment (stronger than blocking for editing) should be an option. Not everything in life are prizes. Commented May 12, 2015 at 14:26
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    @AlvaroMontoro: Feel free to post a suggestion on the meta here.
    – Cerbrus
    Commented May 12, 2015 at 14:26
  • I did. It was downvoted and deleted (not by me) Commented May 12, 2015 at 14:28
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    @AlvaroMontoro: do you have any idea how massive the SE community is? 2 people suggesting something doesn't mean that something has to change. Besides, obviously more people disagree with the suggestion than that there are people agreeing, otherwise, the questions would score positive in votes. This answer is perfectly fine. I don't have to come up with an alternative to an bad idea, in order to criticize that bad idea.
    – Cerbrus
    Commented May 12, 2015 at 14:34
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    @jcuenod: Okay, I had about 130 edits there. 16 of those were rejected. If this feature were to be implemented, I'd wouldn't have gotten any rep for (16*5) 80!!! out of my 113 accepted edits. Only 33 of my edits would have gotten me rep. Did I mention excessive punishment?
    – Cerbrus
    Commented May 12, 2015 at 14:41
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    So we remove the only benefit <2k users get from suggestion edits, just because they can't edit themselves, yet?
    – Cerbrus
    Commented May 12, 2015 at 14:46
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    @jcuenod I'd have had no reputation at all from edits (subject to timing issues). You can bet I'd not have edited more than six or seven questions. That would give me great practice for when 2000 finally arrived, wouldn't it? Commented May 12, 2015 at 14:51

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