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When you mark a question as unsalvageable in Triage you are presented with all the close reasons, including "Unclear what you're asking."

But how could that be a valid close reason in Triage if the main point of the Help and Improvement queue is to address this issue?

From the "Unclear what you're asking" help text:

Please clarify your specific problem or add additional details to highlight exactly what you need. As it's currently written, it’s hard to tell exactly what you're asking.

Sounds to me like what H&I is for.

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    How would you "fix" this question: "How can I fdjosiejfokdsjfkosd in Java"?
    – ryanyuyu
    Apr 21, 2015 at 14:42
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    If we can't tell what they are asking, how are we supposed to help them improve it?
    – Kevin B
    Apr 21, 2015 at 14:42
  • @ryanyuyu That sounds more like spam than unclear. Apr 21, 2015 at 14:43
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    @DavidGrinberg replace the spammy characters with just super-unclear text or ambiguous text. Like "How can I search in Java"? Search for what? Unclear seems like a great fit here, even better than too broad.
    – ryanyuyu
    Apr 21, 2015 at 14:45
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    No, that's not what "spam" means. Apr 21, 2015 at 14:46
  • @ryanyuyu I'de disagree and say that is a classical case of too broad. Apr 21, 2015 at 14:46
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    Why do you think the "Help & Improvement" and "Triage" queues are mutually exclusive? Categorizing questions isn't an exact science, and there can be overlaps. Apr 21, 2015 at 14:48
  • Yes, but I was under the impression that the majority of 'unclear' questions should fall under H&I. This seems not to be the case though... Apr 21, 2015 at 14:51
  • I choose this flag if there is way to much to do, we should not write novels in the comments clearing everything up.
    – martin
    Apr 21, 2015 at 14:51
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    Many questions are unsalvageable without intervention by the question poster. You should only click "Should be improved" if you think there is enough information in the question to show what is being asked for, but it just needs some rewording or possibly formatting to make it clearer.
    – TZHX
    Apr 21, 2015 at 14:58
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    @TZHX Looking at my disputed flags, that needs to be communicated much more prominently.
    – martin
    Apr 21, 2015 at 15:10
  • @martin I agree. but it seems the people who matter don't. because it only affects people with < 3000 rep, suggestions to improve it will be met with "why bother".
    – TZHX
    Apr 21, 2015 at 15:13
  • @martin - We've been having a conversation about this: meta.stackoverflow.com/a/290915/19679 and the best ways to deal with problematic disputed flags from review. There's a disconnect at some point here, so something will need to be changed.
    – Brad Larson Mod
    Apr 21, 2015 at 15:58

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Podcast #63 addresses this particular issue. Listen in at about 10:37:

So the triage queue is more or less working...it's certainly identifying three tiers of questions: the best ones, the worst ones, and the ones in the middle. The problem is it quickly became obvious as soon as we launched the help and improvement queue that the middle ones, which are supposed to be, these are salvageable by some kind soul who wants to put some time into editing them, are not always that. We don't seem to be accurately labeling them.

From this, I get that the point of the Help and Improvement queue is to help questions which are salvageable without intervention from the OP. Questions that are in triage that could be made better with help from the OP should be put on hold, so that the OP has time to edit the question with relevant details and information.

Think of it like the difference between:

I'm working on a Java project which requires us to foo the bar. I've tried baz but it didn't work. Could I get a hand?

versus

I'm working on a Java project which requires us to foo the bar. I've tried to baz, but I got this strange IllegalArgumentException when I pass a negative value to this function. I've mostly verified that we're passing the correct value to the function, but it still seems to be coming up with that exception. What's going on?

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    Wow, I flag a lot on the queue and I get a lot of disputed flags but according to that, I need to flag soo much more, which I will now do.
    – martin
    Apr 21, 2015 at 15:10

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