I would appreciate the moderators looking at the edit frenzy which spans 11 pages of activity and is entering its third hour here.
As someone else who has a majority of answers in the VBA tag, I think this is a bad set of edits to make.
Much of VBA applies to all applications using it. Some VBA is specific. If I am trying to do something in Outlook I might be able to use code which also works in Excel. A smaller percentage of code is specific to Outlook VBA (and frankly the majority of that can be run from other applications, too).
Removing the vba tag off of everything hides this and makes it less clear, especially since nearly EVERYONE will select vba as their first tag.
I don't understand the need for these edits.
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2I first saw Remou (now fionnuala) retag
VBA
questions asExcel-VBA
some years back, which to me made sense, as some of these questions were specific to the Excel object model, and would not have worked in Access, Outlook etc. Certainly code that works across the MSFT product suite should be taggedVBA
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andExcel-VBA
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2I'd second this - it's counter-intuitive as nobody actually uses the term excel-vba in any other context. The language is actually called VBA for real, and you could tag the question as Access-VBA and VBA or Excel-VBA and VBA to achieve the same level of selectivity. Tagging the questions like this is quite unhelpful as they would be excluded from tag searches for vba. – ConcernedOfTunbridgeWells Mar 27 '15 at 14:52
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8I am the proprietor of a commercial application with a large layer written in VBA which has only the most peripheral connection with Excel. I haven't reviewed all 395 edits, but if as it seems on a quick sample there has been some attempt to remove the VBA tag I need to register the strongest possible exception. I would also seriously question the judgment of anyone who took any such task upon themselves to this extent and rapidity without consulting the community. – user207421 Mar 28 '15 at 22:16
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@brettdj Shouldn't these questions be tagged excel-object-model or excel-objects instead of excel-vba? See here. – Zev Spitz Jul 30 '15 at 22:46
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1@ZevSpitz Your suggestion is no better and just makes more application specific tags cluttering up the place! – user692942 Sep 10 '15 at 14:04
The issue I have with these edits is that they take two perfectly useful tags (Excel and VBA), and combine them into one tag that makes it seem like Excel's VBA is different from other flavors of VBA. While there are APIs; it's not a fundamentally different language. It'd be like removing javascript and windows and changing it to jscript.
If anyone would like to add that tag in addition to excel and vba, then so be it. That's fine.
If you believe a question tagged only excel is off-topic, then vote to close it. We've had that discussion before, and the consensus is not to vote to close certain types of excel questions.
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@pnuts we try not to focus on interpersonal issues in a public arena. when it does happen, it's usually because the accused brings it up first. – George Stocker Mar 26 '15 at 23:17
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1@pnuts I'm ok with a downvote if that means not airing dirty laundry in public. – George Stocker Mar 27 '15 at 0:41
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1@ZevSpitz no thanks we should be burning application specific tags not encouraging more. – user692942 Sep 10 '15 at 14:05
I just want to also point out what the vba tag excerpt says (with my added emphasis):
Visual Basic for Applications (VBA) is an event-driven, object-oriented programming language for writing macros, used for the entire Office suite as well as other applications. If your question is specifically about programming Excel, Access, Word or Outlook, also use the appropriate tag: excel-vba, access-vba, word-vba or outlook-vba.
Clearly that text doesn't tell you to mutually exclude vba from any of the specific office tags, it tells you to include both.
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@pnuts And if excel-vba were replaced with excel-object-model or excel-objects the whole discussion would be irrelevant. – Zev Spitz Jul 30 '15 at 22:58
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Ok brettdj. You won. I am requesting a deletion of my account.
Oh btw... what an amazing suggestion to confuse people ; keyword: also
https://stackoverflow.com/review/suggested-edits/5308775
and
https://stackoverflow.com/review/suggested-edits/4700422
not this one vs in addition to this in addition to this one.
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38If your response to a disagreement is to delete your account, then maybe you should just take a break from the site. You provide valuable content, and it'd be a shame for your to quit over something trivial like this. – Taryn♦ Mar 26 '15 at 14:47
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1I have been on quite a long break... havent really been participating as you havent noticed. I am just fed up with all the nerds :) please delete, forget and move on. – user2140173 Mar 26 '15 at 14:48
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12If you really want to delete your account, then you'll need to follow the instructions here. As I said, it'd be shame for you to quit over a disagreement like this. – Taryn♦ Mar 26 '15 at 14:50
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20Actually I didn't win anything. - it really doesn't matter to me if you chose to participate here or not. A functional site matters to me. – brettdj Mar 26 '15 at 14:51
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3cheers, done. gl & hf – user2140173 Mar 26 '15 at 14:51
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22I voted to undelete entirely because I wanted to comment that while I've never personally been in your shoes (being called out on meta like this) I think you will be doing both yourself and the community a disservice by leaving. I hope you can still be a part of this site while aquiescing to the will of the community that these particular edits of yours were not welcome. – Kirk Woll Mar 27 '15 at 1:32
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1I just now saw this. I've gotta say that I don't understand what happened here. I made the edit you linked to at your recommendation many moons ago. – RubberDuck Jul 31 '15 at 0:23
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@pnuts Shouldn't have [*-vba] full stop it's just noise. Should be synonym of object-modal and used along with the application specific tag like excel for example. Encouraging use of these tags is just wrong and serves a small few who want to be able to filter their queues easily. It's got nothing to do with losing information as the excuse goes. – user692942 Sep 10 '15 at 14:02
VBA
is a language andExcel
(amongst others) is a subject. They are two distinct things and the tags should be distinct as well. This is a general opinion, I have no knowledge at all ofVBA
– robbmj Mar 26 '15 at 21:12