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I've seen this person (I'm not sure if I should be pointing fingers here so I'll keep his identity "unknown" for now) be rude (or what I would consider rude anyway) over multiple comments. He sometimes provides comments that try not to help a user, but basically point out that "the other person doesn't know what he's doing". I've been called "a bad example spreading bad practices, like an infection" (after some discussion). To me that is really going overboard. Do I just go around and flag all of the posts I consider rude (I'm not sure they are all really rude in any case, and I might be biased because of what occured before)? Is there a way to report a user for "rude" or "misbehaving" conduct perhaps? Or maybe there is and I don't have enough reputation for it.

The person in question is a very knowledgeable person from what I can gather from his profile. And I'm very sure he knows what he's talking about.
My main gripe however is that he just, instead of trying to provide constructive feedback, leaves comments like "You don't understand this and that". Without providing any support for his statements etcetera. It's not overly obvious he places these comments a lot, but enough for me to notice over some time.

I hope I'm at the correct place here, I don't use meta very often because I never have a question for it. Let's just hope you guys can provide me with some answer.

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Okay so aparently it's expected to provide the case in question, so I'll oblige. Mind you I found these without much effort (just a few of the first that I encountered)

  1. The rude comment towards me has since been removed, but it was here: How do I organize this list into mvc?
  2. Profile with comments: https://stackoverflow.com/users/727208/tere%C5%A1ko?tab=activities&sort=comments
  3. "You don't know what you're doing" comment (update: comment has been removed): Where should redirects be done
  4. Comments without reference (no big deal I know, but just thought I'd place it here anyway, update: comment has been removed); PHP entity class example

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Mind you I already advised/told him that I thought those kind of comments were useless (literally, so that might have ticked him off?). Something along the lines of "Those kind of comments are IMO useless".

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All comments I have discussed in this question have since been removed. Please keep this in mind when replying.

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    On Meta; it's typically good to include specific statements, even if you don't attribute them to a person. We like data and evidence; and without that, it becomes a "from what it sounds like..." instead of what it actually is. It's even better where you link to the posts where that happens, even though that does kill the anonymity, it does allow us to see these comments in context and see what the issue really is. If you're not comfortable doing that, I understand. In that case; don't bring it up to meta at all; and just flag with a custom flag and let a moderator know what is going on. Commented Feb 25, 2015 at 16:50
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    I can understand both sides of the argument. To be honest the terseness is probably bore out of frustration they experience from the questions / answers they see day in day out. It can sometimes be a thankless task, you just may have caught them at a bad time.
    – user692942
    Commented Feb 25, 2015 at 17:30
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    FWIW its piqued not peeked Commented Feb 25, 2015 at 17:34
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    Looks like a smart guy that knows what he's talking about, not somebody that gets featured at meta often. Unfortunately not always taking the time to explain what he knows, that can look rude. Probably doesn't take much more than a private email from a moderator. Commented Feb 25, 2015 at 17:54
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    your description of the rude person reminds of me of everyone who is active under the c and c++ tags. Commented Feb 25, 2015 at 18:17
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    If someone says "You should learn basic OOP". You can take it as, "well, that was rude", or you can take it as, "does he have a point?" I dont see anything inherently rude here. No bad words, no direct insults. If you feel you know OOP, then perhaps your post is not worded to reflect that. Take a hard look at your post in that case, not other people.
    – crthompson
    Commented Feb 25, 2015 at 23:42
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    When I saw the mvc tag I at once knew who you are talking about =oP
    – kittycat
    Commented Feb 26, 2015 at 4:30
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    -1 - I see absolutely nothing wrong with his posts or comments - to me he sounds like he knows what the hell he is talking about - respect him and learn from him and move on.
    – JonH
    Commented Feb 26, 2015 at 18:51
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    Rudeness has a systemic cost that is hard to quantify but important. Is a user worth keeping around because he provides correct answers but turns off a lot of people? SO measures answers quantitatively but obviously cannot measure the systemic cost to the community. I'll just observe that in other organizations (businesses, clubs) where a very competent person hurts the culture or morale of the team, the normative action is to fire the person rather than ask the team to grow thicker skin.
    – tohster
    Commented Feb 26, 2015 at 19:30
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    I read most of this guys' posts - he is far from mean and he has a great understanding of the mvc architecture...actually many of you could learn from this guy. He's probably sick and tired of answering the same ridiculous questions that many OPs could just google. Cut him some slack.
    – JonH
    Commented Feb 26, 2015 at 19:50
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    Define rude. Was he actually rude, or did he just offend your delicate sensibilities? Commented Feb 26, 2015 at 19:56
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    @JonH Being sick and tired of it doesn't give you carte blanche to be rude. If he's sick and tired then he should take a break from those questions, or else vote to close them with no comments at all. I'm tired of a lot of the questions I see in the Javascript tag but I don't believe it gives me any kind of exemption to what is proper behavior. Commented Feb 26, 2015 at 20:01
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    The classic 715 upvotes and 13K downvotes kind of guy
    – Aducci
    Commented Feb 26, 2015 at 20:31
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    I've looked at the first two pages of comments from this user, and I find nothing rude at all. The one that comes closest (have you tried hiring a developer), could have been rewritten as (please post some code), but it's not far off. Commented Feb 27, 2015 at 2:18
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    Related: Is Stack Overflow over-polite?. Hey guys...are we going to be so sensible? I'll cancel my account the day I'll need to prefix any commnet with "In my modest opinion I think I should kindly disagree...". Come on... Commented Feb 27, 2015 at 13:18

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For flagrant stuff you flag it. For a pattern you either collect a list of the examples of worst behavior and go to chat and mention it to mods; or you ask the user in question to go to chat and talk to them. Ask them to consider either not leaving a comment or being more constructive if they do.

(I didn't look at the links you provided).

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    A little clarification for the flag. If it is just one instance then flagging as rude or offensive is fine and moving on. If multiple, flag one with a custom message for the moderator including a few of the others so they can deal with it as a set as opposed to individually as they may not notice the pattern.
    – Travis J
    Commented Feb 25, 2015 at 17:41
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    Thanks, I'll remember that. I'm wondering however about how effective it will be for me, a lowly 1800 pointer, to adress someone of 30000+ points though. I guess it shouldn't matter, but I would imagine one could just shrug it off as they have probably been very active for very long. I doubt my advice would be taken to heart. It's definitely worth a try though (just as a btw. I did comment this to him, along with the OP of the question, that placing these comments were useless).
    – Bono
    Commented Feb 25, 2015 at 17:44
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    @Bono - High reputation doesn't give you a free pass to insult people. It's been our experience that higher-reputation members are more likely to respond positively to polite comments about their behavior, so I'm not afraid to engage someone about this. The key is to keep a calm tone, because anything perceived as an attack can cause things to go in the wrong direction pretty quickly. Commented Feb 25, 2015 at 18:00
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    In addition to the actions mods have recommended for this site, develop a thicker skin. In professional life you will be extremely lucky if you do not encounter at least one or two extremely and gratuitously abrasive but higher-ranked colleagues! Learning to manage them, and your own reactions to them, is at least as important as being able to explain MVC.
    – user189804
    Commented Feb 26, 2015 at 1:06
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    IMO "learning to manage them" does not mean ignoring and developing a thicker skin. It means raising these issues up. The reason those people keep on doing what they do is that people more likely switch jobs then actually do something.
    – eis
    Commented Feb 26, 2015 at 15:10
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    High reputation doesn't give you a free pass to insult people. I've been lied to! All these years of work for nothing! :(
    – user703016
    Commented Feb 27, 2015 at 7:24
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    @eis: Certainly it means escalating things... iff you are fairly sure of your ground, and it's worth it. Remember, you might just be too sensitive; Misconstruing brevity (especially in criticism directed at your work) as rudeness seems a fairly common failing. Commented Feb 27, 2015 at 15:59
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People who are not native English speakers may translate their way of speaking into English quite literally. People from Eastern Europe (or from Holland, like myself), may sound rude to native English speakers, but often it's in no way intended like that, and it's just a way to express a sincere advice or concern. Additionally, due to lack of any facial expressions and body language, it is very easy to misinterpret the tone of a post on any online medium, so please be aware that you may misunderstand his intentions.

That said, I've had a couple of arguments with this particular guy, and I doubt if this explanation fully applies to him. nevertheless, I think the best advice is to flag those comments that are really too rude, and for the other part try to be understanding and forgiving. If you find he gets on your nerves, just try to avoid questions he is active in. There are plenty others.

If you are to comment on his behavior, be sure to use the right tone of voice. The lack of context also applies in the other direction, so a short comment might be misinterpreted as an attack. Try to imagine how one might interpret your criticism. It's almost impossible to be too polite, but very easy to be unintentionally rude.

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    Thanks Golez, I think I'll do that from now on. On a side note; I'm from Holland as well, so I get what you mean 100%
    – Bono
    Commented Feb 28, 2015 at 0:40
  • And almost the same last name. ;)
    – GolezTrol
    Commented Feb 28, 2015 at 0:42
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Just ignore them. A lot of people in IT and who work with computers are 'on the spectrum' as they say and lack social skills. :-)

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    Sorry to be so harsh, but it's true. Very technical IT people have a tendancy to be highly intelligent, a bit weird and occasionally lack certain social graces. These traits are exacerbated by Internet discussion forums. You often see answers like f 'Oh you're so stupid! Everyone knows that in the System Z instruction set, the CVD assembler mnemonic is 1 of 2 instructions that operates from left to right instead of right to left!' posts in response to a simple question. An actual insult was probably not intended; it's just the way it comes across.
    – Steve Ives
    Commented Feb 27, 2015 at 15:39
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    I'm really afraid but I have to kindly disagree with you. Please accept my poor personal opinion but this is just a stereotype without any decent solid evidence. I never had such impression and I see rude people everywhere. Yes technical people (IT or not) may be little bit more direct but this (to me) looks like a bar-style sentence more than a meta-SO question... Commented Feb 27, 2015 at 15:58
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    I don't totally agree with you since based on my experiences the case is that the IT people aren't just generally too interested being social and when they do talk, they do have manners. And still your answer isn't actual solution for this IMO. The important thing is that other users might get influenced by these comments and it can affect their behavior in a negative manner. Commented Feb 27, 2015 at 17:25
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    That's fine - most people on SO give helpful, polite answers and a few don't. Most people in IT are normal and a few...aren't. I've worked with some right odd people. Generally nice, but odd.
    – Steve Ives
    Commented Feb 27, 2015 at 22:19
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    Downvote for ignorant hatespeech.
    – DanBeale
    Commented Feb 28, 2015 at 1:35
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    down vote because ignoring a harmful behavior that is not isolated is harmful itself IMHO. Commented Feb 28, 2015 at 3:29
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    I've worked with some right odd people. Don't even get me started. At the last company I worked for the IT manager left on Friday night and came back as the IT manageress on Monday morning. :D Commented Feb 28, 2015 at 21:04
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    @TheBlueDog you can't say job there is boring... Commented Mar 1, 2015 at 17:45
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    That is so true, but really would you expect up votes on SO meta post for this! ?
    – g24l
    Commented Dec 5, 2015 at 1:07
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    Downvote, because first you said "A lot of people in IT [...] are 'on the [autistic] spectrum'" then, probably realizing the awfulness of your answer, went on to say "Most people in IT are normal and a few...aren't.", which is arguably an even more ignorant answer. For a self-declared "normal" person, you have a lot of manners to learn.
    – hodgef
    Commented Apr 27, 2016 at 23:23
  • They can also lack a sense of humour.
    – Steve Ives
    Commented Apr 28, 2016 at 0:05

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