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Quite often I find that new users of SO also are new as programmers. Which could lead to a bunch of trivial problems easily solved in chat. But since you can't chat with low rep users these kind of questions tend to end up in a very long comment section.

Why isn't it possible for highrep users to initiate a chat with these users? That would certainly help them and at the same time keep comments to a minimum!

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    I see potential with this idea, but you'd need to add more specifics . Also, it may help to show examples of how this would work. Another point - why limit the insta-chat to low-rep users? Why not everyone ? Commented Jan 29, 2015 at 18:41
  • How Would this be different from current chat? Commented Jan 29, 2015 at 18:42
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    @Coffee 20 rep is currently required for any chat. Note, this has a duplicate somewhere, currently trying to find... Commented Jan 29, 2015 at 18:43
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    Cross-site duplicate of: meta.stackexchange.com/questions/100291/… Commented Jan 29, 2015 at 18:44
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    And apparently we can already do it, as room-owners have write access privileges. See the last answer on the duplicate Commented Jan 29, 2015 at 18:45
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    Philip , do you want a more lightweight version of chat? Maybe something quick & dirty? I guess that may be interesting .. but currently as Bradley says - we do have chat Commented Jan 29, 2015 at 18:46
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    That would be one solution. Right now I often find that lowrep users need aditional guidence that i would gladly give but it's not possible in the standard SO format. Any solution that would give me the possibility to "talk" with that person would be great. A Stripped version of chat would most certinly suffice.
    – Philip G
    Commented Jan 29, 2015 at 18:49
  • No not that easy and i belive that if you use a public chat room. newcomers would be easily distracted by others posting in the same room. (But i could be wrong)
    – Philip G
    Commented Jan 29, 2015 at 18:55
  • @PhilipG In created rooms, it almost always just you and the other guy. Plus, higher rep users can create gallery rooms to really lock it down.' Commented Jan 29, 2015 at 18:56
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    I see your point, but it clearly says IMPORTANT: please check for an existing similar room before creating a new room; duplicate rooms (without good cause) will be closed. this gives me the impression that I shouldn't create these "narrow" rooms. But i could be wrong.
    – Philip G
    Commented Jan 29, 2015 at 18:59
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    The system already creates these narrow rooms with the "move comment discussions to chat" features. I've created them for one-on-one chats and never had a problem. I'm sure they got closed when we both left, but thats fine, it was supposed to be short-term. Commented Jan 29, 2015 at 19:01
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    I like the idea. The core issue is to make the cost of opening up a chat as small as possible. Commented Jan 30, 2015 at 10:39
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    @BradleyDotNET I have been in a similar situation with a low-rep user who was friendly. It indeed took me 5 minutes to set up a chat room and figure out how to grant write access, and after all that I discovered by myself that I still can't grant write to low-rep users. I ended up upvoting the new user's post to push him over the minimum, an upvote I would not otherwise have given. This is a problem; Please allow us to trigger a move-discussion-to-chatroom before the system volunteers it itself, and allow us to grant write access to the low-rep user concerned (or do so automatically). Commented Jan 31, 2015 at 16:13
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    I didn't know there is a chat in SO until I saw this, and even after reading this, I find it hard to look for the chat room :)
    – Wayne
    Commented Jan 31, 2015 at 16:15
  • @Wayne www.chat.stackoverflow.com Commented Jan 31, 2015 at 17:25

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Update: Apparently the text on the owners page lies, and this doesn't work yet :(

The solution described on Meta SE is unfortunately not feasible yet.If it was, to chat with a low-rep user, you need to:

  1. Have that user visit chat.stackoverflow.com
  2. Create a new room
  3. Give the user write access to that room (via the "info" link)
  4. Share the link of that room with the user (via comments)
  5. ???
  6. Profit.

Certainly it would be nice if this were streamlined a bit, but it should work.

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  • Doesn't this approach result in VERY many rooms without a good purpose?
    – Philip G
    Commented Jan 29, 2015 at 19:00
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    @PhilipG The system already accounts for this possibility for the "Move comment discussion to chat" feature. I've created rooms before that kicked in when it was obvious that chat was needed and have had no problems. Of course, the rooms can go away after you both leave (eventually), but thats not really an issue. For example, there are 2 "dead" rooms currently from my discussions, but I've had way more than that. I'm sure the system will clean them up soon. Commented Jan 29, 2015 at 19:02
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    I'm not 100% this is implemented - that post is from 2013... there's two related posts on MSO: meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/257949/… and meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/275771/… which are related to the 20 rep requirement Commented Jan 29, 2015 at 19:48
  • @JonClements Granted, I have not tried this yet. The "write access" box does indicate that it grants access regardless of reputation though. Know any low-rep users who want to be a guinea pig? Commented Jan 29, 2015 at 19:50
  • @BradleyDotNET sadly it doesn't work - else I wouldn't have had to write a MSO post regarding it in June :( It appears the vast majority of commenters (which also aired pretty much the same points the OP did here) and answerers were for the idea of it (including a couple of mods) - but as far as I'm aware - there's been no changes Commented Jan 29, 2015 at 19:51
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    @JonClements They really need to change that text then :(. I still want to find a low-rep user and try this... If only I could log in as two users on the same computer. Commented Jan 29, 2015 at 19:55
  • @BradleyDotNET: First, make a dry-run using just any arbitrary 1-rep-user. I think your attempt will be blocked, as you aren't a mod. If not, enlist someone for real. Commented Jan 29, 2015 at 20:05
  • Yeah, this still only works for moderators.
    – hichris123
    Commented Jan 31, 2015 at 18:10
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[contributor wastes 5 minutes setting up chatroom]..

user99999: 'What did I do wrong?'

contributor101: 'Well, if you go back to the help and take the tour, you will see that some little effort is very useful to enable us to assist you better. Your requirement dump is not useful to present and future visitors to SO and your code snippet won't even compile. Please include all inputs, outputs, error messages and log entries. If you have done any debugging, please let us know what you found out since that will save us all time. If you help us a bit, maybe we can help you a lot'

user99999: 'Ok, I get it. Now, are you going to do my homework? If not piss off and stop wasting my time'

Am I being too cynical? I somehow doubt it.

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    I wholeheartedly agree with this - Too many new users are self-centered on original entering of the site, which is to solve their specific problem - they often have no incentive to improve the site on a low rep and contribution status, which is kind of why I appreciate having a rep limit for users who are able to chat, which filters out a severe amount of 'users who I do not believe should deserve help from mediums of this particular chat', as contrary to mediums like IRC.
    – Unihedron
    Commented Jan 30, 2015 at 9:29
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    At least you painted the contributor101 as too naive. Just write a short comment with the most pressing issue and wait for a decent replay. If none comes, close chat. This simple rule will almost 100% sure avoid any waste of time. Commented Jan 30, 2015 at 10:39
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    Presumably contributer101 would be intelligent enough to know if the individual is worth chatting with before wasting the five minutes. If not, well, I'm not sure how to fix that. Commented Jan 30, 2015 at 17:48
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    @Unihedro just because a lot of users are like that, doesn't mean they're all like that. And it's impossible to predict at the outset of the conversation. Just streamline the process so that inviting them to chat doesn't waste anybody's time. Commented Jan 30, 2015 at 21:28
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    At the point where you get that response, you leave the chat room and downvote the question, leaving a comment and a reference to the chat room where the evidence of bone-headed behaviour is on display. I've not experienced that level of contemptuousness...I can't say it doesn't happen, but it hasn't happened to me yet. Commented Jan 30, 2015 at 23:14
  • @MarkRansom: "a lot" is an understatement. I used "too many" and mean too many. If new user X is of interest to help both the site and their problem, they would stick and live through the "new user restrictions removal" stage.
    – Unihedron
    Commented Jan 31, 2015 at 6:29
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    You can often see in the way the question is asked if OP while being a new programmer and so asking basic questions without knowing how to find the answer does its best or not and deserves help. We all were once newbees, and provided OP is correct and tries to understand, I'm often ready to spend time to show him (or her) where the problem is and how to avoid it (of course when I have the time to spend ...). But without chat it often requires many comments and edits :-( Commented Jan 31, 2015 at 22:37
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    Just a small fraction of users would overextend and ask too much. Besides it is quite easy to explain that they are asking too much. If they still dont understand, it wouldnt matter since it's as easy to stop the conversation.
    – user
    Commented Feb 1, 2015 at 19:15

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