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I suspect this has been discussed before, but my initial search didn't show anything.

One of the things I've noticed is there's a difference between different tags/categories of average reputation of answers. This seems - at least in part - to be a design question. Upvotes - and reputation - is directly correlated to value to the maximum number of people.

My highest scoring answers aren't what I'd call my best answers. It's just I've caught a bit of low hanging fruit. I'm not overly keen on that, just generally speaking - the point of gamification is to drive behaviours in positive directions.

I'm wondering if there isn't a case for dilution/upscaling rep rewards based on some popularity metric. Partly to encourage looking at less common tags, and partly to encourage ... well, a bit more completionism I guess. Let's get unanswered questions answered, and reward people who are looking at the difficult, slower churn questions.

That's why I was thinking 'auto bounty' - would it not make sense for an upvoted question to incur a rep multiplier for each day it's unanswered? (or perhaps 'has no upvoted answers?')

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    I could potentially get behind this. I think that it would have to be a one-time thing awarded to the highest voted answer, say, a week after someone has gotten an upvoted answer. It also only exists if it goes a week without such an answer. The only issue I have is that I think you need to flesh out the details of your proposal quite a bit to make it realistically implementable. Jan 21, 2015 at 17:56
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    Not a terrible idea since there are some tags that don't get much attention and even fewer votes. But since you mentioned your own answers.... you've only been around 18 months. The "low hanging fruit" gets quick upvotes but rarely much attention after that. The really good answers accumulate votes over time and will eventually surpass your quick answers that got a lot of quick votes. Jan 21, 2015 at 17:58
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    @psubsee2003 Unless of course your question happened to be: stackoverflow.com/questions/7074/… Pretty low-hanging (but no doubt commonly searched) Jan 21, 2015 at 18:01
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    Some pretty nasty side-effects from such a scheme, easy to overlook. Users will intentionally withhold an answer. Crappy questions get attractive to answer after a while. You'll have to flesh-out your proposal so this can't happen. Good luck with that :) Jan 21, 2015 at 18:33
  • @HansPassant I agree that such a scheme will be challenging to implement so that gaming it is hard. I sincerely doubt anyone will withhold an answer though, the FGITW urge is strong (and if the award is low enough, its still a better "strategy"). Jan 21, 2015 at 19:09
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    @HansPassant people wont hold out on answers because the fastest gun in the west problem. That might, however, happen with questions that meet whatever criteria initially. As for crappy questions, adding a >= +3 votes and no downvotes will set a pretty high bar. Bradley's answer seems pretty solid. Jan 21, 2015 at 19:11
  • ahem, pinch poke and what not @BradleyDotNET Jan 21, 2015 at 19:12
  • @BradleyDotNET It has happened a few times that I skipped over questions that I could have answered fairly easily but that were not interesting. (All else being equal, I prefer interesting questions.) Then a few days later, the OP decided to put a bounty on the question I skipped, and then I answered. I was not actively waiting for a bounty but I benefited from not answering right away. Who knows if one would have come at all? But if an automated system dispenses bounties then why not wait? FGITW is not a factor for all questions.
    – Louis
    Jan 21, 2015 at 19:53
  • @Louis Agreed, this system could delay answers on "hard enough that FGITW isn't there, but not interesting enough to answer right away". I'm not really sure how I feel about that. It seems bad, but if people are not answering anyways (as you didn't) then providing an incentive seems positive. Jan 21, 2015 at 19:59

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I like the concept. As you say, it makes the game reward going for the "high fruit".

I would suggest the following details to help curtail gaming the system:

  • Instead of a "rep multiplier", this is a one-time award.
  • The award is restricted to positive-score, open questions only. Perhaps even a minimum score of 2 or so.
  • It starts after a week of no upvoted answers, with a very low award (say 5) and grows very slowly.
    • As a starting point, do questions only with no answers. The bar for getting this special treatment should be very high.
  • It is awarded to the highest scoring answer a week after an answer is upvoted
    • Perhaps a minimum score requirement, 2 or higher like bounties?
  • There's a pretty low cap on how high the award grows. I would suggest 50 or 100 at most. This cap could be scaled to the question score to encourage answering really hard, really good questions.
  • This "bounty" does not exempt the question from closing like a normal bounty would. Its simply to incentivize answers. The award is removed if the question is closed (potentially even after the award is given, to disincentivize answering crappy but unnoticed questions).

I'm sure there are other details that need to be added to make this workable, feel free to suggest.

In addition, it would be cool if there was a tab similar to "featured" that highlighted these questions for people looking for them.

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  • Would the question asker nominate someone for this, or this would just automatically work on every question? Jan 21, 2015 at 18:12
  • @AdamHughes I'd think it would be automatic (based on the criteria). Jan 21, 2015 at 18:12
  • This kind of sounds like an auto-bounty if I understand correctly. Jan 21, 2015 at 18:15
  • @AdamHughes Right... which is basically what the proposal was asking for. I just added some rules I felt were missing. Jan 21, 2015 at 18:16
  • Here's a question that would fit this criteria nicely I think. stackoverflow.com/questions/25631076/… Clearly there should be a reward for answering this due to the number of upvotes. I think you are right that the bounty should be fixed, but it would be cool if the more upvotes, the higher the bounty (up to some cap like say +300) Jan 21, 2015 at 18:17
  • @AdamHughes After thinking about it for a bit, I've added that as a possibility to my proposal. 300 sounds a bit high though :) Jan 21, 2015 at 19:16
  • Something else to consider would be the (initial?) amount of automatic bounties that are placed. I think it would probably cause some strange side effects if 16,000+ questions got bounties Jan 21, 2015 at 19:18
  • @CarrieKendall Excellent point. I'll think about it, and would be interested to hear your suggestion on how to handle that. Jan 21, 2015 at 19:19
  • I'd perhaps think something along the lines of: Any question >7d old, with not positive voted answers would have 'community' set a bounty equal to 10x number of upvotes. And this would be auto awarded (and half would be lost) by the auto-bounty process if applicable. As this bounty expires after a week, it might also be re-created (potentially with a higher number, as more people have seen the question in the interim).
    – Sobrique
    Jan 21, 2015 at 19:19
  • @Sobrique I hope you meant "score" not "upvotes". Also, if community creates it, who would manually award it? Wouldn't they all be auto-awards? 10x score seems a bit much as well, but those parameters could always be tweaked :) Keeping it low makes it less likely to be gamed, while still being an incentive in my opinion. Jan 21, 2015 at 19:21
  • Hmm yes. Ok, score. But yes. They would all be auto awards (but bear in mind that an 'accepted' answer is auto-awarded the full amount after a week)
    – Sobrique
    Jan 21, 2015 at 19:23
  • @Sobrique I believe thats only true if the poster is the bountier as well. Jan 21, 2015 at 19:25
  • Lets take an example: stackoverflow.com/questions/19423022/… 28 score ( +28 / -0 ) - no answers since October (497 views) But in a less popular tag with a niche product. I think it'd be worth a 280 rep bounty (potentially 140 if not accepted) to anyone who took the time to comprehensively answer.
    – Sobrique
    Jan 21, 2015 at 19:27
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    @Sobrique I'm sure there is :). If this ever gets to the point where determining the exact amount is the biggest problem, its in pretty good shape! Jan 21, 2015 at 19:39
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    @CarrieKendall That could work. Before implementing someone should run a SEDE query to see how many questions would qualify at any given time. That might help set the actual bar at the right mark as well. Jan 21, 2015 at 20:11
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Automatic bounties have been discussed before but I can't find a duplicate now.

I thoroughly dislike the idea of automatic bounties.

Right now someone has to make the decision to put a bounty. So there is a person who is taking a stance by spending their own reputation to claim that the question on which they put the bounty is worthy of everyone else's attention. This is a good thing. People don't want to waste their bounty on worthless questions. Having questions with one upvote somehow gain an automated bounty will put bounties on questions that are really not worth it.

Especially in the less popular tags, you can easily have a clearly closeworthy question sit there for days because it does not get quickly the 5 votes necessary to close it. It can easily get a random upvote during that time. These questions should not be rewarded with automatic bounties.

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  • That's a fair point - what would be a defensive measure? Would a threshold do it? E.g. to be eligible a question needs at least 2 upvotes?
    – Sobrique
    Jan 21, 2015 at 19:20
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    It would take more research than I can spare right now but a really really quick search found this question, which clearly runs afoul of the topicness rules and yet, according to its timeline, managed to acquire 8 upvotes (and one downvote) before being closed. It remained open about 6 months. Never got an answer. It is irritating enough when people put bounties on questions like this one. I'd rather not have an automated system do it.
    – Louis
    Jan 21, 2015 at 19:28
  • No, that's a very fair point. It would be one of the downsides of doing this.
    – Sobrique
    Jan 21, 2015 at 19:29
  • I added an extra rule in my suggestion list to try and address the closing issue. I'm sure it doesn't negate it entirely, but hopefully it helps. Jan 21, 2015 at 19:37
  • @BradleyDotNET Unless I'm missing something the question I found would still have gotten an automatic bounty after a few days. I see you added a provision to your answer that the bounty would not make the question unclosable but unclosability was not ever a factor for the question I found (according to what I can see in its timeline).
    – Louis
    Jan 21, 2015 at 19:45
  • Ah, I thought that question may have had a (removed) bounty that caused an issue. Regardless, I'm sure there is a way to improve the ruleset. Jan 21, 2015 at 19:46
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Alone a parallel line of thinking - I was wondering if it would be feasible to auto-scale rep rewards based on average voting.

Take the average of all >=2 score answers on >=2 score questions under every tag with more than a certain number of qualifying entries. (Maybe 50?).

Use that that number as a scaling reward for reputation awards, based on the highest number of all tags on the question. (So a popular tag + obscure tag gets the 'weighting' of the popular tag).

The idea being that you get a self perpetuating cycle of popular tags, which attract more views, which attract more votes, which attract more rep. Which is fine as far as it goes, but I think more value is added (and thus more rep is warranted) by diversity of skill and answers.

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Going on the great points of Louis and BradleyDotNET, what about a simple bounty-matching system? IE the more upvotes a question receives, and/or the less popular its tags, the more that Stack will "match" a bounty. This will still put the impetus on the user to front some of her rep, but will add an extra incentive.

I think that question upvotes and tag popularity are both important variables towards bounty matching, naively.

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