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The way how meta participation is calculated is explained here:

Users most active on this site in the last 60 days (combined number of posts, votes, comments and edits).

While above has a definite benefit of being simple, it looks way too simple. Suggest to change it to use total score of the posts instead of their number.

Using total score instead of number of posts is not much more complicated and I think it is even somewhat simpler to explain. Current way suggests that posts at +100 and -1 are equally valuable contributions which seems to be really hard to grok (at least to me).

The way how system currently measures participation sends conflicting signals to voters. On one hand it suggests that voting is important, as important as posting, editing, commenting, okay. But on the other hand it sounds like it is only important to mechanically click the voting arrows, as if content being voted doesn't matter, as if it doesn't even matter if one votes up or down.

It's probably not the most important feature request out there but as an active voter I am not quite comfortable with the way how things work now.

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  • alternatively, an explanation of why it would be better to keep things as they are now would also be appreciated. My reasoning in favor of change could have missed something
    – gnat
    Commented Oct 19, 2014 at 10:27
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    It is measuring participation, not how much others liked your posts. To foster debate, score should not be a factor in how much you participate. Commented Oct 19, 2014 at 10:31
  • So, as an active voter, your participation is accurately measured. The more you vote, the more you participate. Commented Oct 19, 2014 at 10:32
  • @MartijnPieters "it is only important to mechanically click the voting arrows, as if content being voted doesn't matter, as if it doesn't even matter if one votes up or down"? I understand the idea of measuring participation, but I am find it difficult to figure why this way is accurate
    – gnat
    Commented Oct 19, 2014 at 10:33
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    You as a voter don't have a score. Did you rather have that the system only measure your upvotes? We already have top tag answerers; that's where score is measured. But one popular question or answer does not mean you are participating more. Commented Oct 19, 2014 at 10:35
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    But receiving votes is not participation. I can sit here passively and let the votes roll in. Commented Oct 19, 2014 at 10:39
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    if this is not participation, I would appreciate a compelling explanation for that. As I wrote, it's hard to me to grok how "posts at +100 and -1 are equally valuable contributions"
    – gnat
    Commented Oct 19, 2014 at 10:40
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    Because being wrong has value too. You are still participating. The unvoiced opinion has no value to the community. Commented Oct 19, 2014 at 10:42
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    "But receiving votes is not participation" surely it is? Up votes means I helped someone with my answer or question, or someone additionally thought it was good/valuable and so upvoted me. Arguably a cap is needed, but why not have votes calculate into your net participation up to a point (like 5 net votes per Q or A)
    – James
    Commented Oct 19, 2014 at 13:56
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    @James No, it clearly isn't. Participation means taking an action. When you post an answer, that is the participation (counted once). If 100 people vote on it, they have each participated (once). It doesn't mean you have participated 101 times.
    – nobody
    Commented Oct 19, 2014 at 14:53
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    They participated by expressing their opinion on a post. It doesn't matter if they agreed or disagreed, or whether the post ended up with a positive or negative score. They added information to the system by voting.
    – nobody
    Commented Oct 19, 2014 at 14:58
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    @AndrewMedico "Participation means taking an action" What about inactive participation. I don't disagree with your logic, and while I agree specifically it is not active participation, I am still participating in that I am helping someone from my question or answer. The vote itself is not my participation, as I did nothing actively - the voter did, however the fact my Q or A helped someone is my continuing to participate (indirectly, inactively, or otherwise). The only way to recognise my inactive participation of my Q or A being useful is by the vote being on my Q or A.
    – James
    Commented Oct 19, 2014 at 15:04
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    @James Your "inactive participation" is recognized through badges and tag scores.
    – nobody
    Commented Oct 19, 2014 at 19:18
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    @MartijnPieters "'inactive participation' is a contradiction in terms" Yeah it probably is. I was using the word "participation" as Stack uses it when referring to rewards/rep based on our actions. Whatever you want to label it, the point is I have an answer somewhere on Stack, someone reads it and gets use from it. I therefore have added value to the site. I have helped someone out, given someone a resolve to their issue, question, or predicament. I was inactive when it happened, however I still "helped" (so I assisted, inactively) which is fundamentally what rewards/rep are for.
    – James
    Commented Oct 20, 2014 at 13:32
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    @MartijnPieters FWIW Gnat's (voter's) concern is that system appears to ignore what they vote on and even whether they vote up or down. Idea of welcoming any post is rather hard to explain from the perspective of someone who picks what to vote on and how to vote, and it feels particularly weird when coupled with idea that vote is as important as other actions, making it feel that it's not voting that's important but mechanically clicking up/down arrows
    – gnat
    Commented Oct 20, 2014 at 13:45

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Absence of answers and rather anemic voting seems to indicate that this request is generally considered not important enough to bother.

For the sake of completeness, there were couple of arguments against the proposed change laid out in comments. One that looks most compelling to me (1, 2) is:

To foster debate, score should not be a factor in how much you participate... being wrong has value too. You are still participating. The unvoiced opinion has no value to the community.

As a proponent of the change, I am certainly interested to trash counter above argument. But frankly, I could not find a way to do this, even though I tried.

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