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This 5-½ year old answer only contains a link, which is now dead, and a very generic name "jQuery Validator" plugin. Since the name can refer to any number of different plugins and the link is dead, the answer is no longer useful. In addition, it did not really answer the OP's question in the first place, which was about a very specific plugin that does not have the desired feature.

Validate inputs that are not inside a form with jQuery Validation plugin

Because of the dead link, there is nothing else useful for the reader in this answer and I think it needs to be removed. I cannot flag it again to explain anything since my original "not an answer" flag was declined.

Why is such an old question relevant? Because the same question has been asked many times and this one might be considered as a matching candidate when closing the newer ones as duplicates.


Even with a good link, the answer still does not properly address the OP which was titled: "Validate inputs that are not inside a form with jQuery Validation plugin".

This supports the point made by @mario in the comments below:

"The actual question is if tool-recommendation answers without further reasoning are useful"


Adding to the confusion, a few hours after I posted this Meta question, somebody came along and edited the link in the answer to match the plugin the OP was asking about.

Original Link in answer: http://plugins.jquery.com/project/validator

As per Wayback machine: http://web.archive.org/web/20100217045419/http://plugins.jquery.com/project/validator

Translates into this: http://code.google.com/p/jquery-validator/

This plugin, last updated in January 2009, is NOT the jQuery Validate plugin as per the OP.

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    Dead links can be fixed, web.archive.org/web/20100217045419/http://plugins.jquery.com/…. The actual question is if tool-recommendation answers without further reasoning are useful.
    – mario
    Commented Oct 4, 2014 at 19:39
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    Isn't the question OT as searching for a resource ..etc.
    – bummi
    Commented Oct 4, 2014 at 19:44
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    @mario, that didn't really fix anything as the archived page is still almost 6 years old and the download links to the actual plugin are still dead.
    – Sparky
    Commented Oct 4, 2014 at 19:44
  • @bummi, the OP was tagged with and asking about a specific plugin.
    – Sparky
    Commented Oct 4, 2014 at 19:45
  • The homepage link still works however; references code.google.com/p/jquery-validator
    – mario
    Commented Oct 4, 2014 at 19:46
  • @mario, fair enough... but it's still a jQuery plugin last updated more than five years ago... the answer is essentially useless. If the point of SO is to maintain a repository of high quality Q&A, then this one is a failure.
    – Sparky
    Commented Oct 4, 2014 at 19:47
  • After your last edit and from the fact that this answer was accepted, either the question could be seen as tool requestion or the one who is searching is still able to find was he is looking for in the plugin section of the opening site. Since I'm not familiar with jquery I can't judge which plugin was meant.
    – bummi
    Commented Oct 4, 2014 at 20:58
  • @bummi, The OP was specifically asking about the jQuery Validate plugin as per his title and his tag. This plugin mandates a <form> element. The answer was pointing to a totally different plugin, which apparently does not mandate a <form> element. Your confusion about the plugin(s) proves my point that this is a very poor answer.
    – Sparky
    Commented Oct 4, 2014 at 21:04
  • Not sure what the delete threshold is since it has upvotes, but it will probably only take 4-5 10Ker's to vote to delete. If you feel that strongly, then see if you can find enough. You are one so you only need 3 to 4 more (assuming you haven't voted to delete yourself) Commented Oct 4, 2014 at 21:58
  • I cannot flag it again to explain anything since my original "not an answer" flag was declined. Am I interpreting this correctly to say you flagged this as "Not an Answer"? Commented Oct 4, 2014 at 22:16
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    It's jQuery - nobody cares. Commented Oct 4, 2014 at 22:33
  • @psubsee2003, other than calling attention to it here on Meta, how exactly would I gather the required delete votes? (No, the "delete" link is not available to me.)
    – Sparky
    Commented Oct 4, 2014 at 23:07
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    @Sparky now that you mention it, we probably need some downvotes first, then the delete link will show up. But chat is a common place to find help when you need it. Commented Oct 4, 2014 at 23:26
  • @psubsee2003, oh I see. Never used chat for anything except extended commenting with an OP.
    – Sparky
    Commented Oct 4, 2014 at 23:34

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If I read your question correctly, your problem is you flagged it as "Not an Answer" and expected the moderator to read your mind. Do not use "Not an Answer" flags when the answer is obvious an attempt to answer the question. For future reading on proper use of "Not an Answer" flags, please read the post When to flag an answer as "not an answer"?

Additionally, as much as you want to profess that it doesn't answer the OP's question, that argument gets rendered completely invalid when the OP accepted it an the answer. The reason this is relavant is not because of the quality of the answer, but because you are claiming it doesn't answer the OP's question. How could it not answer the OP's question if they OP accepted it? The moderator is going to look at things like that when considering the flag.

Moderators have virtually zero context when reviewing flags and usually will not be familiar with the technologies in the post to make an informed judgement, so when they see the "not an answer" flag on a post that looks like an answer, they will decline it.

Instead, select "other" and explain exactly what you think should be done and why. If given the proper context as you have described here, I have a feeling they would have acted differently, or at least provided a better explanation in the decline message as to why they disagreed.

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    As far as my argument getting rendered invalid because the OP "accepted" it: SO is not so much about satisfying one particular individual as it is about being a high quality repository of Q & A. The act of "accepting" does not magically turn a poor or disconnected answer into something that helps the rest of the community.
    – Sparky
    Commented Oct 4, 2014 at 22:56
  • I don't expect the moderator to read my mind, but since it was a link-only answer, I figured that it was pretty self-explanatory. In my defense, I've flagged accepted answers like this before, and moderators have indeed deleted them when they've only contained a link.
    – Sparky
    Commented Oct 4, 2014 at 23:05
  • @Sparky every moderator is different, but the message from the SE team in the past has been don't use Not an Answer for stuff that is an attempt to answer. Flagging as such may have worked in the past, but it failed this time. The general rule of thumb I use is if it isn't completely obvious what the problem is simply by looking at it, you should use other and explain. Commented Oct 4, 2014 at 23:23
  • I honestly flagged for the link-only aspect and only started exploring the link in depth later. Then when I wanted to explain more, I couldn't because I had already flagged it. I suppose I could have flagged the question itself with "other", but decided to take this to Meta instead.
    – Sparky
    Commented Oct 4, 2014 at 23:38
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    note that this answer is certainly not a link-only answer. It does tell in the actual answer what is the suggested way to go, and the answer would've worked even without the link, link was just an added help.
    – eis
    Commented Oct 5, 2014 at 8:52
  • @eis, I think you too may have misunderstood the answer. How does the answer work without the link? Without the obsolete plugin at the link, the OP cannot achieve what he's asking. (Note: the OP is asking about a plugin that is NOT the same plugin linked in the answer)
    – Sparky
    Commented Oct 5, 2014 at 15:43
  • @eis, I see now why you thought this answer was relevant without the link. Somebody came along and changed the link into the jQuery Validate plugin. However, as per the original link posted in the answer, that is not the same plugin. Additionally, the answer would be factually incorrect since the the jQuery Validate plugin cannot validate a form without a form container. As per @mario's research in the comments, the answer was originally linking to this plugin: code.google.com/p/jquery-validator
    – Sparky
    Commented Oct 5, 2014 at 16:17
  • Please don't demand that I "drop an argument", especially when that's not even the argument I'm making. The answer is obsolete garbage and having a green checkmark doesn't change that.
    – Sparky
    Commented Oct 5, 2014 at 16:39
  • @Sparky the answer sucks now, yes, and should be downvoted and hopefully deleted. But I said that because you keep bringing up as a reason that the answer sucks. It doesn't suck for that reason. It sucks because it is a link to a tool, with a vague description of the tool, and the tool is dead. Commented Oct 5, 2014 at 16:46
  • "It sucks because it is a link to a tool, with a vague description of the tool, and the tool is dead." LOL... isn't that what I've been saying? I think you're hung up on my original flag which admittedly was not correct.
    – Sparky
    Commented Oct 5, 2014 at 16:48
  • For the record, I understand and agree with 95% of what everyone on this page has said. I was just looking for a good way to improve this question, not devolve into an argument over semantics.
    – Sparky
    Commented Oct 5, 2014 at 16:49
  • @Sparky <removes foot from mouth> you know what I completely misread a sentence in your previous comment. I think we are on the same page here now. I removed the comment in question since it was based on a false premise Commented Oct 5, 2014 at 16:50
  • @Sparky you didn't address one of my points in my deleted inflammatory comment... you can try flagging it again properly with an "other" flag. Or did you do that already? Commented Oct 5, 2014 at 16:57
  • No, it will not allow me to flag it again... that's why I posted here in Meta. I get the "you have already flagged" error, even though the original flag was addressed.
    – Sparky
    Commented Oct 5, 2014 at 16:59
  • @Sparky "other" flags don't have that restriction unless something has changed. The only restriction was you can't raise another "other" flag until the first was handled Commented Oct 5, 2014 at 17:01
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Thin ice for me since not familiar with the matter(me). The plugin he was asking for seems not have the abilities he was asking for, another one seem to have them, so he accepted the answer, from the upvotes at least on other person did find it useful. The plugin can still be found with the link and linkdescripion provided. I don't think that the fact that the provided answer offered a different solution could be a reason to remove it.

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  • I think the fact that the plugin hasn't been touched in 6 years old, essentially a dead project (and likely will not work with today's jQuery), has to weigh into the matter here. After all, if we're trying to maintain a high quality repository, while this may have been an awesome answer in 2009, it's a very poor answer today. That's all besides the fact this is a "link-only" answer, something we're always trying to avoid.
    – Sparky
    Commented Oct 4, 2014 at 21:36
  • I'm not happy with this too, but it was accepted, is findable and if we should want to cleanup all old answers it would be never ending and would not be fair for those who provided solutions. Link only would fit IIRC answers not libraries.
    – bummi
    Commented Oct 4, 2014 at 21:54
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    Saying that it's "never ending" is not a good argument to do nothing. Every single thing we do here from correcting spelling, re-tagging, closing duplicates, etc... these are all "never ending" tasks that maintain the high quality of this site. The answer is poor (both for being a link-only answer that sidestepped the question and for being horribly outdated) and if we want to maintain the high quality of this site, then it should be deleted or at least down-voted.
    – Sparky
    Commented Oct 4, 2014 at 23:02
  • I still think the deleted answer better answers the question than Sparky's answer. Sparky's answer simply says it can't be done with plugin x, find another plugin, whereas the deleted answer gives plugin y where it does work, therefore actually solving the problem rather than just saying it can't be done with plugin x. Maybe the two answers should be combined to form a complete answer.
    – Kevin B
    Commented Oct 7, 2014 at 14:54
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Why is such an old question relevant? Because the same question has been asked many times and this one might be considered as a matching candidate when closing the newer ones as duplicates.

I see you've already marked some other threads as duplicates of this one, making handling of this question even more important.

So I would suggest this:

Answer this question with a better answer - an answer telling that plugin OP uses cannot be used that way, and what are the alternatives, preferrably with usage examples. That'll probably get the upvotes and, the way I see it, solve the problem.

I see no need for moderator flags here. The answer there actually helped OP and provided him direction on were to go, and even without the link, it would've been useful. If the accepted answer no longer works, you should just provide a better answer. We should not delete old answers just because we can do better today, we should post better ones.

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  • I agree with most of what you said here. However, how would this answer have been useful without the link? Take away the link and all that's left is mention of a plugin that would be nearly impossible to find.
    – Sparky
    Commented Oct 5, 2014 at 15:39
  • Picking this one as the source for other duplicates was done without close enough inspection of the accepted answer. Therefore, I will work on posting a better answer to this question.
    – Sparky
    Commented Oct 5, 2014 at 15:40
  • @Sparky take away the link and you still have an answer telling you that you can do what you want using another plugin, and tells the name of that plugin. It's certainly useful information. Link helps, but the answer works without it as well. A link-only answer is an answer that does not help at all without the link, such as "take a look, this is how it is solved"
    – eis
    Commented Oct 5, 2014 at 16:19
  • I'm not saying it's a good answer, but it's not a link-only answer, and it is an answer.
    – eis
    Commented Oct 5, 2014 at 16:20
  • Anyway, I'm doing my best here. I posted a new answer and I corrected the link in the accepted answer to match the plugin the original answer was linked to.
    – Sparky
    Commented Oct 5, 2014 at 16:26
  • Let's get the heart of the matter... the high quality repository is getting lost when we cannot see obsolete as obsolete and do something about it.
    – Sparky
    Commented Oct 5, 2014 at 16:28

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