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I'm dealing with someone that notoriously answers questions on a topic with criticisms and no help at all. I flagged his comments on my last question because as per usual none of them were helpful and he seemed more interested in arguing and his comments were removed by the moderator. He is now stalking our SO account and down voting our answers and sending us messages through our website. We don't really care about the loss of points because we get paid in dollars and not in points.

I was under the impression that the purpose of this site was to engage in legitimate and serious resolution to programming issues. This should not be allowed.

Has anyone dealt with this before?

Here is the message:

Surprise DOUCHBAG! I really don’t care if you think my answers are correct or not but I am going to make sure that NO ONE pays attention to your answers!

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    You have only two visible downvotes on your account in the last week, and both of them are on the same post (meaning they couldn't be cast by the same person), so unless there are deleted posts he couldn't have downvoted you more than once. Also, it looks from the comments on this post like there might be context you aren't sharing. Aug 30, 2014 at 8:50
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    I can't speak to the outside harassment you may be seeing, but your suspicions on SO aren't evident. Aug 30, 2014 at 8:55
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    @ThesisDesign When you said "down voting our answers," it gave the misleading impression he was casting multiple downvotes targeting you (which is prohibited on Stack Overflow). Casting a single downvote is not in any way harassment. You might want to remove that part from the question here. Aug 30, 2014 at 8:57
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    @Moderateur No. When you send an email to someone (especially a hostile one) you do not have the right to demand that they do not share it. Aug 30, 2014 at 9:06
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    @ChiefTwoPencils I was not questioning the fact rather the legality :-)
    – Adam Barak
    Aug 30, 2014 at 9:07
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    Hopefully the email address that he used to send the message is attached to an SO account.
    – Thesis
    Aug 30, 2014 at 9:43
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    @ThesisDesign "We".. is that a shared account? in that case I suggest doing separate accounts because sharing an account is forbidden by SO rules
    – Adam Barak
    Aug 30, 2014 at 10:00
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    Hi @Moderateur when I say "We" I mean "Thesis". I'm the only user on the account but we generally ask and answer questions as a group. We're a co-op.
    – Thesis
    Aug 30, 2014 at 10:02
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    @Moderateur I have no idea. There should be an age limit in here. I have to focus on wrapping a project. I'm more interested in dollars than points. I don't think any of these people down voting even have a bank account.
    – Thesis
    Aug 30, 2014 at 12:59
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    I'm one of the people who downvoted, and I shared my reason above (and in other comments since). I felt that the post was misleading in saying "downvoting our answers" when only one answer had been downvoted. Serial downvoting (which does resemble StackOverflow stalking) is an issue that people here take seriously, so it's misleading to describe yourself as a victim of it when you're not. I've suggested that you edit it multiple times, but you haven't. Aug 30, 2014 at 13:36
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    @DavidRobinson you are entitled to your opinion but there is nothing misleading about it. The entire scenario is described as it happened and we did edit the post to include the message. And again we really don't care about down votes because we live in the real world. We have actual projects to work on and actual money to make. We use this forum constructively and others do not. It's pretty simple. We forwarded the email to the SO team and hopefully that will be the end of it because we don't care to squabble with some child that thinks that trolling for points means more than helping.
    – Thesis
    Aug 30, 2014 at 13:44
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    @Moderateur yes apparently this is now an argument over the definition of stalking/harassment. This is insane and ridiculous. The forum is being misused and we asked for help. End of story. I don't think that the police treat someone that shows up on your doorstep and tells you they are going to harass you until you move any differently than someone that does is 30 days in a row and if he thinks I'm wrong maybe he should try it out to test the definition. He can see if they accept SO points for bail.
    – Thesis
    Aug 30, 2014 at 14:00
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    I have no clue what happened outside the site. But there is zero evidence the user has done anything improper here. In fact, there is some contravening evidence... I say this because that other user has been revealed indirectly here, and I don't want people assuming too much. Aug 30, 2014 at 14:04
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    @AndrewBarber there is no contravening evidence. If you look at the entire picture the start of this can be traced back to a question that we posted that received non-answers from this user that we reported. Those comments were removed by a moderator after we reported them. Thankfully we did get the answer we needed from a real professional that actually contributes positively to the forum. We didn't accept his answer which wasn't an answer at all and then we get attacked. We are thankful for the assistance that ChrisF offered us and again the email has been forwarded.
    – Thesis
    Aug 30, 2014 at 14:13
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    Well @AndrewBarber prepare to be blown away. And we aren't convinced in the smallest degree that anything will actually done given what we have seen here. We'll appeal on the Filemaker questions because there is nothing wrong with them. As successfully explained to BenVoigt Filemaker code is not structured the same way but it does not mean it isn't programming or a programming question. The definition of "code" is often debated in regards to Filemaker. We won't be bullied by a user or a moderator.
    – Thesis
    Aug 30, 2014 at 21:07

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Flag one of your down voted posts using the "other" option and a moderator will look into it. If the votes don't trigger the serial voting script we can ask the team to manually invalidate them.

If the harassment is serious we will send a message about it and if it persists after that we will suspend the account.

There's nothing we can do about the off site contacts though.

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  • Okay. Thanks for your answer. I don't know what to do because I can't block the incoming mail from our site. Generally speaking our experience here has been awesome. I've been helped out of some really tight situations by people that want to help. And then this.
    – Thesis
    Aug 30, 2014 at 8:58
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    According to this comment by Jaydles, it does look like the StackOverflow team is sometimes willing to take on-site action for off-site messages. Aug 30, 2014 at 9:14
  • Hi @ChrisF. I'm going to forward the email to team@stackoverflow.com. To clarify it isn't a serial voting script. It was a down vote followed by an email sent thru our website stating that he would continue to down vote our answers. I also edited my post to include the message.
    – Thesis
    Aug 30, 2014 at 9:28
  • @Qantas94Heavy Yes I know. That is not what happened here. We posted a comment under his answer clarifying that is not the scenario.
    – Thesis
    Aug 31, 2014 at 6:10
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    Of course there is something you can do about the offsite contacts. If they are determined to be real, you can ban the user doing them. Aug 31, 2014 at 6:47
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I am posting this because your claims here have become more and more... significant. And some are downright false, while I see no evidence for others.

The user you speak of has not acted improperly here, on this site, in any way I can see remotely related to this. You suggest there are comments from him that were deleted that would make that clear. Well, moderators can view all of a user's comments, including deleted ones, and I saw no evidence whatsoever. The user had perfectly polite comments/answers that you didn't like, and flagged, as "not an answer".

Through it all, the other user remained polite and professional, while you repeatedly attempted to escalate. Much as you continue to do here.

You have strongly suggested this user has committed vote fraud against you. It is publicly demonstrable that this is simply untrue, yet you have doubled down on that claim when challenged on the impression it gives.

You have suggested this user is stalking you, and have called him many inflammatory names, but your only suggestion of evidence is a single email. There is nothing on this site to back up your claim, yet you have repeatedly suggested there is.

In short; you are making statements you must know to be false, and using those statements to justify extreme hyperbole against this user. (Your very first descriptive words were, "stalker" and "notoriously".)

Finally, before I got involved, you said in a comment on one of your posts that you'd contacted the staff about them. Then proceeded to make negative statements about them... all without ever having mentioned any email.

I informed you to wait for staff to investigate. You said you were... then continued publicly calling them out. I told you again... You did it again. I told you again... You come here and make an even bigger issue out of it.


If the email is legit, then I hope it is taken care of appropriately. But your statements so far just aren't adding up.

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    this is becoming extremely convoluted. You responded to our messages and we responded to yours using comments because there is no other way to respond to you. You deleted our responses to you but left your responses and we didn't sit silently because your response was still there. You told us to go to Meta so we went to Meta. I am going to outline this timeline for you step by step so that there is no confusion over the sequence of events.
    – Thesis
    Aug 30, 2014 at 14:31
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    @Thesis You are not listening. You've reported it. Now drop it and wait for the staff to respond. Continuing to make more claims like you have won't help in the least. Aug 30, 2014 at 14:32
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    Absolutely nothing that we have said has been false and up until last week we hadn't connected our website to our profile and now I regret doing it. Under questions in our profile we asked a question titled "Filemaker Getting Record ID from Related Value in Calculated Repeating Field" which by the way is now been magically placed on HOLD. I'm assuming by you. For what reason I cannot even guess because the question was answered. The question was clear and it meets all of the criteria. But it is Filemaker and most of the SO tools don't work for asking and explaining Filemaker questions.
    – Thesis
    Aug 30, 2014 at 14:38
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    Okay you claimed that we made a false statement publicly so again we were responding. You said you didn't see the deleted comments (implied that they didn't exist) so we were telling you where they were and what question they were attached to since you said you couldn't locate them. We received 2 helpful flag bonuses for reporting those comments. We will wait for someone to contact us assuming that will be via email. And hopefully that will happen because I cannot forward messages from our site into spam or junkmail because then all messages from our site will go to junkmail.
    – Thesis
    Aug 30, 2014 at 14:47
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    @Thesis I said I could not find comments supporting what you've said about this user being harassing, stalking, notorious, etc. Because they don't exist. We have much better tools than normal users to see all of user's posts. The only thing you've said that I can verify is true is that the user posted a "not an answer". It was deleted, your flag accepted. And you've used that since to justify your... "thing" against this user. It is not a justification for that, or your rudeness toward them ever since. Aug 30, 2014 at 14:53
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    What you are missing is the email. That's the problem. I forwarded it to team@stackoverflow if there is another email address that I need to send it to then please let me know.
    – Thesis
    Aug 30, 2014 at 14:55
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    @Thesis The email is an external thing, and [I've*] we've repeatedly told you how to deal with that. I'm talking about the claims you are making here. On this site. That is, I'm talking about your behavior. Aug 30, 2014 at 14:57
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    I have not seen any comment from you regarding how to handle the email. My apologies if I overlooked it so please post it here again if you would. We are definitely removing our website from our profile after this. Internal and external are linked in this case. I hope that we do hear from someone because though it could be a communication issue you really don't seem to care.
    – Thesis
    Aug 30, 2014 at 15:02
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    @Thesis my immediately previous comment contained a typo, marked with a *. It now correctly says, "we've". And you are incorrect; I care very much about this. Hence my posting. Not agreeing with you or backing you up does not equal not caring... Aug 30, 2014 at 15:05
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    Have you considered that this could be just a ruse to give name recognition to his product? He mentioned it over forty times. From where I sit, this just reads like spam. Aug 30, 2014 at 17:27
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    @HansPassant That's an interesting angle I haven't thought of, though I suspect the real thing here might be related to mythical creatures afraid of fire/acid... Aug 30, 2014 at 19:32
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    This entire post looks like spam and if it's true, then all possible answers are already present in this post. VTC as duplicate. Aug 31, 2014 at 4:42
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TL, DR : don't feed this potential troll and just ignore him.

I've personally been assaulted by a bunch of people like this on another website (unrelated to programming), it was much worse actually - they managed to get my personal phone number and started harassing me there. Even though it was very scary when it happened, they're all just stupid kids with too much free time, and besides bullshit threats and insults they can't do much harm.

The fact that this person insults you of "douchebag" without any arguments what-so-ever and that his only objective is to try to cripple your answers clearly shows that he's the same kind of stupid kid I just talked about (I can't imagine a real programmer sending such emails), so if you don't give him what he wants (he wants you to be scared and to respond to his "threats"), he'll eventually get bored and that's it.

So unless his e-mails start to get scarier (death threats, etc), just ignore him and move on.

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  • Agreeing with the fact that this user is a douchebag, don't use the word "troll" because it's a different thing. It is being used more and more for the simplest of things, even with users you disagree with. This is just a user with anger management issues. As for the threats, should I tell you what happened years ago from a threat in a public forum?
    – Adam Barak
    Aug 30, 2014 at 10:50
  • Maybe I'm wrong but I'm pretty sure this user actually is a troll and wants the OP to get scared. I don't think that someone with anger management issues would take the time to fill a contact form on another site... usually it's just a bunch of downvotes cast in a matter of seconds. - Yeah, feel free to share your story if it isn't too long.
    – user2629998
    Aug 30, 2014 at 10:54
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    @mod & Andr: please be careful about assuming things that cannot be independently verified, especially since the allegedly "harassing" member has been called out by name. I don't know what happened off site, but what I see on site surely does not support anything said here. Aug 30, 2014 at 14:07
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    @AndrewBarber my post and assumptions are based on the question (and only on the question, not on the endless comments below it) and my personal experience with a similar situation - verifying whether the question tells the truth or not is none of my business.
    – user2629998
    Aug 30, 2014 at 14:15
  • Thank you for the clarification, Andre. Sorry I can't type your name properly on my phone! Aug 30, 2014 at 14:30
  • @AndrewBarber you're welcome, no problems !
    – user2629998
    Aug 30, 2014 at 14:31
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I don't agree with the language used in that message, or the mechanism the user you're complaining about used to contact you, but there may be some truth to "No one should pay attention to your answers."

I checked your profile, which lists your questions and answers. A good number of your questions are on topic, questions about jQuery. But I can't find a single one of your answers that is about programming (the fault of the person asking the question, not yours, but why are you wasting your time responding to off-topic questions that will be deleted?)

Recommendations for shopping cart products are off-topic (there you're at fault for both question and answer). Asking how to use database software UI is off-topic (the question doesn't involve writing stored procedures). And you gave answers to web design questions which didn't involve any programming, too.

Answering off-topic questions is a bit of a problem, since it encourages more off-topic questions. While there isn't a site policy to go and downvote answers like that, there's also no rule against it. So don't rush to the conclusion that this offensive user is responsible for every downvote your answers have ever gotten.

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    @Andrew: Yes, I can see that point. If they're being preserved primarily for reference from this Meta post, I suggest that one of the question locks might be apropos.
    – Ben Voigt
    Aug 30, 2014 at 14:50
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    @BenVoigt when you get attacked externally because you did not accept someone's answer let me know. How exactly are our questions not about programming? We have just recently started answering questions and they are only in the Filemaker and Sqaurespace categories. There is no code to post for Filemaker because it is Filemaker. The SquareSpace question could not be answered fully because the user did not specify the template they were using so we could not provide the syntax and they never answered. I think it's pretty obvious that we aren't going to receive any help.
    – Thesis
    Aug 30, 2014 at 15:17
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    @ThesisDesign: If FileMaker has no code, it may be off-topic for this site. Or do some FileMaker questions have code (SQL and/or stored procedures), and it's this one that did not? It's possible for some FileMaker questions to be on-topic even if that one isn't.
    – Ben Voigt
    Aug 30, 2014 at 15:18
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    @BenVoigt you might be right about Filemaker not working here because it is difficult to answer Filemaker questions here because the SO tools are primarily for raw code. But they have a group for it here and I subscribed to the emails so I could answer when I could. Filemaker UI questions are coding questions or Filemaker's version of code. The are inextricably linked. At the same time people do find help here where Filemaker Desktop is concerned so deleting it really isn't fair.
    – Thesis
    Aug 30, 2014 at 15:21
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    @BenVoigt there is also the PHP web publishing side of Filemaker that would be closer to what I think you would deem legitimate code but I have only seen 2 or 3 questions on the PHP side. So again deleting the Filemaker category would do more harm than good.
    – Thesis
    Aug 30, 2014 at 15:25
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    @BenVoigt just saw your comment about SQL and the answer is yes. Filemaker Developers often develop Filemaker solutions with SQL, MySQL and Oracle backends...stored procedures and all. But I have not seen anyone ask those questions here yet. I think the Filemaker community here is just getting off the ground.
    – Thesis
    Aug 30, 2014 at 15:28
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    @BenVoigt I realize that most coders don't think much of Filemaker but there are some 100K solutions out there in major corporations especially in entertainment because changes can be made faster and at a lower cost to the client. So there should be a place for it here because it is versatile and it is a largely successful application even if it isn't your thing. But again answering questions in SO where Filemaker is concerned can be difficult because there are so many working pieces in a Filemaker solution and you can't just post straight code. And there is no JSBin equiv for Filemaker.
    – Thesis
    Aug 30, 2014 at 15:35
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    @BenVoigt and since I have a stable personality I won't try to find your personal or company email and send you a nasty message because you think "No one should pay attention to my answers". If you think Filemaker is off topic for SO it's nothing Filemaker Devs haven't heard before. But someone asked a question and I tried to actually help them and I gain no personal fulfillment from insulting people or their careers. In fact I'm typing this message from my apartment in Madrid so, lol, you may not like Filemaker but I do because it bought me a summer vacation home and that is REAL.
    – Thesis
    Aug 30, 2014 at 15:44
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    @ThesisDesign: You seem to think that being useful is the measure of being on-topic for StackOverflow. But it's not. Hopefully all useful questions find a home on at least one of the StackExchange sites... but StackOverflow is only for programming. If FileMaker is part programming and part not, perhaps it would be a better fit on the database administration site, where engine installation, database configuration, and SQL and stored procedure coding are all on-topic (at least I think so, I'm not active there).
    – Ben Voigt
    Aug 30, 2014 at 15:50
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    @Moderateur: What are you talking about? I haven't deleted any comments from this discussion. Furthermore, your handling of this situation strikes me more and more as sockpuppet-like. You might consider a more balanced approach here. Or are you affiliated with ThesisDesign?
    – Ben Voigt
    Aug 30, 2014 at 15:52
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    Hi @BenVoigt initially when you said off-topic I thought you meant my answer was off-topic but I realized you meant the questions in the actual category. I didn't create the Filemaker category it was here before I arrived so it really isn't my call. Whether Filemaker is legit or not is sort of an age-old discussion that has gone on since its inception but it's all perspective. Filemaker has it's own code. What I mean is it is not HTML/CSS/JavaScript and the like where everything can be viewed in a snippet. You really have to work to answer a FMP question in here because of the tools avail
    – Thesis
    Aug 30, 2014 at 15:57
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    lol @Moderateur thanks for sticking up. My answers weren't bad. The discussion now is that Filemaker is off-topic for SO therefore my answers are crap. Really if someone isn't a Filemaker Developer they shouldn't even go there. The same way I wouldn't start trash talking another programming language that I personally don't use or know how to.
    – Thesis
    Aug 30, 2014 at 15:59
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    @ThesisDesign: Please don't assume that because a tag exists here that all questions about that technology are acceptable. To take an extreme example, consider Microsoft Office. It has macro and OLE automation capabilities that are programming and on-topic. But 99% of usage of MS Office is solidly off-topic.
    – Ben Voigt
    Aug 30, 2014 at 16:00
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    @ThesisDesign: You're completely missing the point. Particular software isn't either on-topic of off-topic. Read my comment above about Office again.
    – Ben Voigt
    Aug 30, 2014 at 16:08
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    @Moderateur: One of the claims made in this Meta discussion was that the account is the target of illegitimate downvotes. I'm explaining why some users might have downvoted, completely unrelated to the harassment.
    – Ben Voigt
    Aug 30, 2014 at 16:11

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