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I have noticed that a lot of legitimate questions get downvoted cause they don't use proper nomenclature or are unclear. That's a frustrating user experience for people who are trying to learn, but are being punished because of their ignorance.

Take my question here as one example: Can I Allocate a Block of Memory with new?

To me it seems that a flag should suffice for purging inappropriate questions, and an edit should suffice for scrubbing poorly-formed questions. I just can't think of a question that would earn a downvote which shouldn't already fall into one of these categories.

Some of my friends have been lost to Stack Overflow because of this issue. Their statement is: "There are no stupid questions -- except in the minds of Stack Overflow users."

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    How are these bad questions to be found, given that flags don't have any visibility in the different question listings? That is, how will there be enough eyeballs and close/delete votes on these, if they are not surfaced?
    – Oded
    Commented Jul 22, 2014 at 11:30
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    There may not be stupid questions, but there are low-quality questions that are of no use to anyone else. Stack Overflow is not a support forum, it aims to build a collection of good questions with even better answers. Commented Jul 22, 2014 at 11:30
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    @MartijnPieters I think your comment is an excellent grounds for an edit. The simple truth is that question-askers may not know enough to produce a high-quality question. I think an edit could be very valuable in this case. Commented Jul 22, 2014 at 11:35
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    @Obed are you suggesting that downvoting helps them surface? I guess I don't understand. Commented Jul 22, 2014 at 11:37
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    But take into account we get over 7300 questions every day and we cannot edit each and every one. Then there are all the duplicates, and questions that show no research done on behalf of the asker, the posts that lack enough detail to be answerable, etc. etc. etc. Commented Jul 22, 2014 at 11:38
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    @JonathanMee: not everything is salvageable through editing. Downvoting is never personal, it is a signal to other people that a post has problems and/or is not helpful to future visitors. Taking away that signal will not magically make questions improve. Commented Jul 22, 2014 at 11:43
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    @MartijnPieters How about this then, there should at least be a requirement to comment on why the question was bad when downvoting. Just a downvote is discouraging and unhelpful. Commented Jul 22, 2014 at 11:46
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    @jon, that has been suggested to death and the community is heavily against it - one example from MSE
    – OGHaza
    Commented Jul 22, 2014 at 11:48
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    @JonathanMee: And this is why questions get downvoted: you didn't do your research. Requiring a comment when voting leads to revenge votes, to arguments instead of an incentive to improve the post, and to nonsense comments (including but not limited to '+1 great post, carry on!' while downvoting). As such the suggestion has been made many, many, many, too many times over, always with the same result: status-declined. Commented Jul 22, 2014 at 11:49
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    @JonathanMee: you also seem to expect that it is the community's job to improve low-quality questions. That expectation is misplaced. With over 7000 questions each and every day, it is the job of the question asker to make sure that the post is at least well researched and on-topic. Grammar and spelling mistakes we can easily fix, but we cannot fix lack of information. If you did not include the error message or code that lets us reproduce the problem, or show what we already tried, we cannot help and the question is not worth our time. We are not psychic! Commented Jul 22, 2014 at 11:53
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    @MartijnPieters, but the thing is that usually question is immediatly downvoted. There is not even an effort to fix it. You are not psychic but some people will understand the question better than you--give them a chance. Commented Jul 22, 2014 at 15:13
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    @YasserAsmi I disagree. I find it quite usually for a question to attract a lot of downvotes with no comments explaining its problems at all. In the majority of cases there is someone to point out at least some of the problems. The majority of the questions I see with downvotes and no comments are also usually completely unsalvagible, regardless of what comments they might get.
    – Servy
    Commented Jul 22, 2014 at 16:05
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    @Servy I believed the linked question provides an excellent example of YasserAsmi's point. Even now that I understand the answer, I still don't understand why the question was voted down, or what could have been done to improve it. I assume that there is some nomenclature that it is missing, but I don't know. Commented Jul 22, 2014 at 17:20
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    @JonathanMee Until today the question had only attracted 2 downvotes. Two is not "a lot" of downvotes in my book.
    – Servy
    Commented Jul 22, 2014 at 17:22
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    @JonathanMee And yet the shear volume of terrible questions and the comparatively small number of site regulars simply doesn't allow for every bad question to involve a personalized question tutoring service in which a considerable amount of time is spent teaching you how to ask a good question. The resources to do that simply aren't available. It happens sometimes, and that's great, but it can't be expected. At the end of the day it is the author's responsibility to learn how to craft a quality question. There is no other practical way.
    – Servy
    Commented Jul 22, 2014 at 17:51

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There are some good comments from Martijn Pieters and Servy that helped me understand the goal of the down vote button on questions. And I wanted to summarize their comments here so it's not necessary for people to read through 23+ comments to get the gist.

There are two perspectives to be considered with respect to downvoting questions:

  1. The perspective of Stack Overflow users who come after who are looking for help with a particular problem
  2. The perspective of the Stack Overflow user writing the original question

With respect to 1: A downvoted question indicates that the question itself is poorly formulated or unclear. This is helpful to looking users because it helps them filter results. In this perspective the ability to downvote questions is essential.

With respect to 2: A downvoted question can be discouraging, and it can turn new users away from the site, particularly new users who don't understand the perspective 1. In this perspective downvoting questions is costing Stack Overflow new members.

An idealist solution: Would be that even new users questions could be crafted into a question that is well formulated and clear by helpful comments and edits from more senior Stack Overflow members, thereby providing benefit to both perspectives 1 and 2. This solution lacks the reality that if senior members to spend time working with each individual question they will be able to vet far fewer questions, and many poorly formulated, unclear questions will fall through the cracks, without being downvoted or edited.

A realist solution: The best solution I've come up with is an appeal to holders of both perspective 1 and 2.
To those who subscribe to perspective 1: If you are downvoting a question and it has no comments, you are simply driving away what could become a great question. Please take the time to just leave a quick comment on what's wrong with the question.
To those who subscribe to perspective 2: Please bear in mind that just because your question was downvoted doesn't mean it is not valuable. Take time to reread it and clarify it to the best of your ability.

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I answer here because I cannot add a comment yet. Some of the considerations made to support the need for downvoting are fair, but I think in some case it is better to put a comment asking to clarify some aspect of the question, or to add some detail, or just explaining why the question is bad. This way, you may be able to help the user and to transform a useless question in one valuable for the community. This should apply especially for new users, who are not expert and may not be able to express their problem in a proper way.

Otherwise you will push new people to get frustrated and leave, when your goal should be to attract as many people as you can. The argument "we get 7000 questions each and every day" sounds a bit cocky because gives me the idea that you feel accomplished and you don't need new people anymore. And I hope that is not the case.

My answer is freely inspired from my personal experience, so feel free to value it or ignore it completely.

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    So it's the community's responsibility to fix every terrible question that anyone posts? They have no expectations as to fixing or improving their own question? They have every right to demand a quality answer to every question no matter how bad it is? Everything else aside, that's simply not physically possible, even if we wanted to do that.
    – Servy
    Commented Jul 22, 2014 at 16:03
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    I think you've massively misinterpreted Martijn's point about there being so many questions - he didn't say anything about "therefore we don't need new users"; it's all about "there's only so much that can be done to help users who appear not to care about putting effort into asking good questions."
    – Jon Skeet
    Commented Jul 22, 2014 at 16:13
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    And Serby misinterpreted my point when I said that you could make questions better. I wasn't suggesting that you all start going around fixing bad questions, but, if everyone start writing a quick comment explaining what's missing in a question (again, this is especially for new users) instead of downvoting straight away, maybe the user will fix a question and it will become something useful for someone else as well. And again, you say it isn't physically possible, but the concept of peer review is against you; see Wikipedia.
    – Hamma
    Commented Jul 23, 2014 at 8:44
  • Your point is valid, yet you still get downvotes. This is not healthy, it is trolling. And the questioner, essentially pleading moderation of the downvoting, gets an avalanche of downvotes. That's bullying. My guess is the strict rules are attracting people of a certain mind-set that see the down vote as a psychological lash (which it is). Over time, they have formed a closed community that has fomented the idea that outsider intrusion, by way of ideas that reduce their "power", are a threat to their community. I've stopped contributing to SO until they get on top of this. I've complained. Commented May 23, 2020 at 21:30

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