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Now I just ran into 2-3 Meta SO questions which, in the long run, discussed elitism and eager downvoting/flags on SO, which ultimately lead me to wonder why people aren't posting LMGTFY links. After a quick google search revealed that it was purposely banned.

I remember when I used to ask a friend of mine questions, when I swapped to C#, I'd ask awfully simple questions too, resulting in him sending me a LMGTFY link, which in the end merely pointed out to me how painfully easy and timesaving it would have been just to look for the info myself.

Seeing how LMGTFY is banned and most people flag/downvote without a comment by now, I was wondering on whether it would make sense to create an additional flag to split up "This question does not show any research effort; it is unclear or not useful" into two seperate points and maybe reword it a little.

  • "This question does not show any research effort, is trivial and could be solved by yourself with minor effort"

  • "It is unclear or not useful" ( This one might deserve a rewording too. I've run into quite a bunch of questions where people didn't know how to complete their business requirements instead of technical requirements. Having problems with technical requirements is generic enough to be viable for SO in my opinion)

Seeing how you can't post LMGTFY links, I think it would make sense to have a flag to tell people that the reason their question was flagged pretty much is "If you you can't be bothered to spend 5 minutes on google you don't deserve 5 minutes (times 30~people) of other people".

Am I alone with this thought of going a way between LMGTFY and commentless downvote/flag?

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    i don't see anything wrong with commentless downvoting. Maybe the downvote tooltip should be more visible to askers after the question receives x downovtes.
    – Kevin B
    Commented Jul 3, 2014 at 16:00
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    What does "LMGTFY" mean? Commented Jul 3, 2014 at 16:01
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    "let me google that for you" there's a website that animates googling a search term and then redirects to google.
    – Kevin B
    Commented Jul 3, 2014 at 16:01
  • @KevinB They may accidentally think that the reason may be that they were "unclear". I would prefer it was straight pointed out to them that the reason for flag was solely that it shows no effort.
    – Dbl
    Commented Jul 3, 2014 at 16:02
  • just to be clear, you mean research effort, right?
    – Kevin B
    Commented Jul 3, 2014 at 16:03
  • @KevinB Yes, of course. It doesn't have to be googling really. It's annoying when someone asks questions and it's obvious, that they haven't even looked for viable intellisense suggestions when working with a class.
    – Dbl
    Commented Jul 3, 2014 at 16:07
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    @JohnnyBones lmgtfy.com/?q=lmgtfy
    – Servy
    Commented Jul 3, 2014 at 16:09
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    @AndreasMüller Except people did provide reasons for downvoting...
    – Servy
    Commented Jul 3, 2014 at 16:13
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    @Servy I'm pretty sure putting "lmgtfy" into lmgtfy causes the universe to collapse on itself. Commented Jul 3, 2014 at 16:14
  • @Servy Not really - Disagreeing with someones opinion without any argument is no reason to downvote. Other than that i don't see anyone but Bill the Lizard actually taking a constructive stand to this yet.
    – Dbl
    Commented Jul 3, 2014 at 16:17
  • @AndreasMüller "Disagreeing with someones opinion without any argument is no reason to downvote." Except that it is... And on top of that when you claim to be receiving downvotes without a reason, and then later on talk about the person taking a constructive stance against your proposal you contradict yourself.
    – Servy
    Commented Jul 3, 2014 at 16:22
  • That and down votes here precisely mean disagreement.
    – Kevin B
    Commented Jul 3, 2014 at 16:27
  • @Servy It's not contradicting that. A well built opinion about a topic is based on actually having reasons for your opinion and beeing able to express them. If someone voices an argument contradicting me i have no problem with that whatsoever. If someone pretty much just says "no" and can't explain why all i am thinking is "wow, a child could have come up with that tactic of participating in a discussion and voicing his opinion with zero material for an argument"
    – Dbl
    Commented Jul 3, 2014 at 16:28
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    You tell a nice story of learning from your friend's use of lmgtfy. That's nice, but it requires you to recognize that your friend is acting with good will, to have a level of self reflection consistent with spotting your own failure in the scenario, and to have sufficient self respect to shrug off the possibility that you have been insulted. That set of requirements are not met by all posters here, and lmgtfy-comments were causing a lot of angst and ill-feeling. And yeah, downvotes and closes also cause angst and ill-feelings, but it's generally less personal. Commented Jul 3, 2014 at 17:21
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    Out of curiosity, why does he have to defend his hating of it, but you don't have to defend your love of it? Seems like a double standard to me.
    – fbueckert
    Commented Jul 3, 2014 at 17:22

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You're proposing a flag that says:

If you you can't be bothered to spend 5 minutes on google you don't deserve 5 minutes (times 30~people) of other people.

Compare that to:

This question does not show any research effort; it is unclear or not useful.

The latter message is exactly what you're saying when you downvote a question. (It's the hover text of the downvote button.) In essence, we already have a flag that tells people that they should have Googled their problem before posting it on Stack Overflow. There's no need to post a snarky LMGTFY link along with that message. If you want to leave a polite comment along with (or instead of) your downvote, there's nothing stopping you.

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    I know. My point is differentiating between no research effort and unclear/not useful instead of leaving it to be just one common flag.
    – Dbl
    Commented Jul 3, 2014 at 16:09
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    @AndreasMüller As I mentioned, there's nothing stopping you from telling people why you downvoted. You're just not allowed to use LMGTFY to do it. That's not the only way to communicate that a question is easily Google-able. Commented Jul 3, 2014 at 16:15
  • @AndreasMüller For example
    – Servy
    Commented Jul 3, 2014 at 16:17
  • @BilltheLizard I would agree with you on that usually but what i'm seeing is that people are escalating their temper when they run into the 20th duplicate that day for questions they've flagged 5 times already and don't just leave it at "You can google that". Reducing expression of that option down to a flag expressing just that, could take out the temper of what they are trying to advice. Because i don't really want to flag the person who gets pissed off by it either, because i can relate. Then again i guess it doesn't matter with all the downvotes this question gets
    – Dbl
    Commented Jul 3, 2014 at 16:34

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