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This tag has been burninated. Please do not recreate it. If you need advice on which tag to use, see the answer below. If you see this tag reappearing, it may need to be blacklisted.


The tag is bit of a mess right now.

Is it even useful, or should we burn it?

Some apply it, as the wiki describes, to questions about the pop function of stack-like data structures.

The name of the data structure (, , ) is probably more relevant for attracting expert help for your question.

Should we just remove these?

What is the general feeling about devoting a tag to a relatively simple operation on an abstract data type?

Some use it to discuss email and the Post Office Protocol.

We already have a tag for email questions. Should we swap the tags over in this case?

Some use it to discuss UI pop-up behavior.

We already have a tag for this. Should we swap them over?

Someone has even used it to coin a new acronym for procedurally oriented programming.

It's a wee shame this one hasn't caught on; "pop" and "oop" are more fun to say than "programming"...

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    It doesn't seem useful to me at all. If we can remove all of the current instances (except perhaps the ones associated with a stack), any new instances should probably be synonymized to [stack].
    – Robert Harvey Mod
    Commented Jun 23, 2014 at 17:11
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    Pop it. Certainly.
    – nicael
    Commented Jun 23, 2014 at 17:38
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    There can be a variety of issues with these data structures you listed. Specifying that the question is about their pop method helps with narrowing down the topic.
    – Bergi
    Commented Jun 23, 2014 at 19:05
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    Yes to all of the "Should we..." questions.
    – ZAD-Man
    Commented Jun 23, 2014 at 19:39
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    @Bergi My understanding is tags exist to help experts find questions they can answer. Who is an expert on just popping? There are experts on stacks and other structures, so those tags are more useful. If the pop method is the problem, say so in the title. Commented Jun 23, 2014 at 19:46
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    @ZAD-Man Why yes to all "Should we..." questions?
    – nicael
    Commented Jun 23, 2014 at 19:48
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    Another possible usage that might not have emerged yet is in questions referring to Facebook Pop, the animation framework for iOS.
    – Cezar
    Commented Jun 24, 2014 at 18:35
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    I've updated the pop wiki to discourage its use, recommending stack and pop3. (Someone should probably do the same for push.) I've also been through questions tagged with pop that discuss mail and replaced pop with pop3 or removed it (and done other clean-up as seemed appropriate, most of the time). Commented Jun 25, 2014 at 2:46
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    @JonathanLeffler I'm doing the same whenever I find a spare minute. I created a new popfax-api tag to replace a question tagged [pop], [fax], and [api]. There are a few other questions about the Popfax API on the site, so it seems worthwhile to tag them together. Commented Jun 25, 2014 at 11:20
  • @nicael Because I agree with removing the pop tags, with swapping to the pop3 tags, and with swapping to the popup tags.
    – ZAD-Man
    Commented Jun 25, 2014 at 21:58
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    For the record, this tag is still being used on new questions, so the wiki isn't working. Can we get on with the burnination, please?
    – Kevin
    Commented Jan 14, 2015 at 21:27
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    Stats at the start of featuring: Q: +29/-2. A1 (Saying yes) +2/0. A2 (Saying yes) +3/0.
    – Bhargav Rao Mod
    Commented Aug 19, 2019 at 5:07
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    Stats at the end of featuring: Q: +90/-5. A1 (Saying yes) +71/-1. A2 (Saying yes) +26/-5. A3 (Saying No) +4/-17 A4 (Saying rename) 0/-13. The community has voted in favor of burnination.
    – Bhargav Rao Mod
    Commented Aug 22, 2019 at 7:34

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has been burninated.

trogdor

Thanks to everyone who participated.

Observations/Retag Guidance:

  • Stack-related questions should be tagged with .
  • Assembly language stack-pointer question can be tagged with , although basic usage of push and pop are pretty fundamental and often don't really warrant leaving anything other than [assembly] [x86] for example. (asm questions are sometimes missing a tag for the ISA, especially when it's , so fix that while you're at it.) Probably also remove the tag if you find it.
  • POP3-related questions should be tagged as
  • Procedurally Oriented Programming questions should be tagged as ..
  • Questions related to Facebook Pop, the animation framework for iOS, should be tagged as .

  • Use for questions related to pop-up.

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    There is a pop function in Python list. I think these questions should be tagged list, similar to questions about stack. Commented Aug 22, 2019 at 8:21
  • There is also UINavigationController.popViewController function in UIKit in iOS, also popToRootViewControllerAnimated. I saw some questions about it tagged with pop. These should be tagged with uinavigationcontroller or uikit instead. Commented Aug 22, 2019 at 8:25
  • For stack questions, should we also remove push tag or not? There is a separate request Commented Aug 22, 2019 at 8:48
  • @VadimKotov, feel free to update the post with your observations! and yes, it'd be really great if you could clean up the other tags that are present on the post as well. Thanks for that.
    – Bhargav Rao Mod
    Commented Aug 22, 2019 at 17:01
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    There's several languages that in some or another way have a pop function related to lists. In addition to list, also note some languages use arrays or sets instead. Commented Aug 24, 2019 at 13:10
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My suggestion would be to get rid of and re-tag questions with more specific options:

  • Stack-related questions should be tagged as . This general tag makes more sense to me than distinguishing between push/pop/peek.
  • POP3-related questions should be tagged as . This seems unambiguous enough to me, unless we suddenly need to refer to the Patriarch of Rome in an unnecessarily 1337 way.
  • Procedurally Oriented Programming questions should be tagged as or similar. I'm not sure that it needs a tag at all, to be honest, but if we already have then we should probably have this too.
  • Facebook Pop (the animation framework for iOS mentioned by Cezar in the comments) should be tagged as .

  • For pop-up questions, we have .

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  • All but popup and pop-up in your last paragraph are gone. And those should be merged by mod-fiat. Commented Jan 23, 2015 at 10:18
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    Regarding stack-related questions, there may very well be architectures that name their instructions some flavour of "pop". We might want to separate CPU stacks from the abstract data type "stack". Questions regarding pop instructions on CPU level should rather be re-tagged with the relevant CPU architecture + the assembly tag.
    – Lundin
    Commented Aug 19, 2019 at 9:12
  • Maybe in the future, they can invent a name spacing convention for tags. "stack:pop" Commented Aug 22, 2019 at 10:24
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Does it refer to popping something off of a stack? POP3 protocol? What does it even mean?

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    For the ones that don't understand the subtleties of this post: let it burn.
    – Braiam
    Commented Jan 23, 2015 at 11:41
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pop is a dedicated instruction in many architectures. What do you suggest we replace it with in that case?

For example, a possible question would be about someone using pop immediately after the start of a function in x86 assembly and getting a return address instead of the first argument.
An answer to that would be to first pop into a temporary register, pop all your arguments, and then push the temporary register to get the correct return address.

Here's a question using the tag correctly: Can I pop from the middle of a stack?

In this case, the tag correctly and accurately describes the question, and provides relevant details.

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    How about replacing it with nothing? When do you suggest that is needed that the x86 tag isn't enough (as noted on other comment, other may implement stack based operations with other names)? BTW, on your specific example, would the question be worse of if it didn't have the tag?
    – Braiam
    Commented Aug 19, 2019 at 19:37
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    Yeah the fact a question is about a particular architecture's assembly language is probably enough detail. Additionally, if it's really relevant, stack combined with x86 is enough. Commented Aug 19, 2019 at 20:05
  • This is a non-example, as the question is off-topic, as it is opinion based, by its very nature. It asks why something is bad, which could lead to dozens of (different) answers.
    – Luuklag
    Commented Aug 21, 2019 at 15:42
  • @Luuklag Huh? Can you explain further?
    – S.S. Anne
    Commented Aug 21, 2019 at 17:29
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    @Luuklag I don't see that question as opinion-based. It ultimately asks what is wrong with a seemingly simpler way of doing things, which can be answered objectively, as the existing answers illustrate.
    – duplode
    Commented Aug 22, 2019 at 20:48
  • I fixed the tags on that question. For asm, callstack exists separate from stack data structures. (So does stack-pointer, but I don't think we need yet another tag, it should maybe be a synonym for callstack). Anyway, reading a dword from somewhere above ESP and then restoring ESP isn't a pop operation at all And the danger comes from moving ESP upwards, not from the pop itself. Thus abi and red-zone are appropriate (because of the lack of a red-zone in any 32-bit x86 ABI that would make this safe). Commented Aug 23, 2019 at 2:16
  • @duplode: you recently retagged several asm pop questions. If you're doing any more later, please have a look at what tags are left and make sure it includes an ISA; some posters forget the existence of non-x86 assembly and don't tag x86 or x86-64. Also IMO we should be changing [stack] to [callstack] for asm questions, unless they're about a stack data structure. Or removing it when it's a pretty basic question about how the ISA works at all. (I updated the community wiki answer with this guidance for asm.) Commented Aug 23, 2019 at 2:20
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    @PeterCordes All [assembly] + [pop] questions have been retagged, and you have caught all of the ISA-less ones. I guess I should have had a look at the [assembly] excerpt before handling those. Replacing [stack] on those questions did cross my mind, though I didn't risk attempting it then. Changing it [callstack] as you describe does makes sense.
    – duplode
    Commented Aug 23, 2019 at 3:04
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Change pop to pop-function (or pop-operation).

And be harder in the restriction of its use, and add a detailed description of how it should & should not be used.

Example description:

[Pop-function]

For questions about the pop-function
in programming languages, usually 
used for poping a value of a stack.

When the tag is named like this, new members will start to write:

pop and then see the suggestion: pop-function and should chose that tag,

especially if the tag has a good description.

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  • Ok, what's wrong with this suggestion? Commented Aug 20, 2019 at 7:54
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    The other answer meta.stackoverflow.com/a/284335/578411 from 2015 already offers to replace pop with stack where appropriate. We tend to not have a tag for every method or function that exists, so even if you call it pop-function it adds not much to the question that can't be obtained from simply searching for it. I doubt many experts would want to watch a pop-function tag.
    – rene
    Commented Aug 20, 2019 at 8:07
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    I don't think pop-function is valuable enough as a separate tag. In 99% of the cases you can use the tag stack instead, and for those few where this is not appropriate, you can find a more suitable tag.
    – klutt
    Commented Aug 20, 2019 at 8:18
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    @SebastianNorr Please keep in mind voting is a bit different on Meta - downvotes often indicate plain disagreement with the opinion presented in the post, and not relate to the post's factual correctness or quality. Commented Aug 21, 2019 at 12:29

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