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An hour ago we had this (only visible for 10K-ers now) spam post on the site.

In a chatroom that post was brought to my attention.

When I loaded the post it had a comment and 6 downvotes. I expected to be the last one needed to flag the post as spam because every spam flag casts a downvote as well. To my surprise after I flagged as spam the post didn't disappear. It needed another 6 spam flags apparently to finally be deleted by the Community user.

I always assumed flag as 'spam' was enough. No downvotes, comments or close votes needed, nor edits on the post.

Has the policy or community consensus for spam posts changed?

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  • It probably got some plain downvotes, not originating from spam flags. Apr 27, 2014 at 14:17
  • That must be downvotes from users with less then 15 reputation (required rep to be able to flag)? Which can't be true because downvoting requires 125 rep...
    – rene
    Apr 27, 2014 at 14:19
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    Some people just may not realize it's more effective to flag spam than to downvote. For new folks, it's not all that obvious. Apr 27, 2014 at 14:28
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    @rene: remember users can cast downvotes in addition to the downvote cast by community when they flag a post as spam. Apr 27, 2014 at 14:28
  • I'm pretty sure they can and that is fine. But having a spam post with 6 downvotes and no spam flags is a missed opportunity by 6 users. I think an answer to my question should include that...
    – rene
    Apr 27, 2014 at 14:36
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    Downvote arrows are obvious. Flag link hides below the question itself, and many users are not aware it even exists. Apr 27, 2014 at 14:36
  • Based on the comments I would say we want to have more exposure to this for users that downvote a spam post?
    – rene
    Apr 27, 2014 at 14:52
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    As Michael said, many people don't realize that you really do need to flag spam, not just downvote it. I see this commonly in the Late Answers and First Posts review queues, where certain reviewers will only downvote spam, not flag it, and that spam then is allowed to live on the site. Not quite sure how to educate people like that, short of the bans that I sometimes hand out when I see this.
    – Brad Larson Mod
    Apr 27, 2014 at 15:13
  • @Brad Another problem with the review queues, though, is that people aren't actually looking for spam. They just glance at it and assume it's a crappy answer and downvote it thinking that's all that needs to be done, not paying attention to the fact it's spam and should be flagged. It's called robo-reviewing.
    – animuson StaffMod
    Apr 27, 2014 at 19:28
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    Maybe add a dialog at the top of the flagged post that says This post was flagged as spam. If you agree, please flag it as spam as well.?
    – user456814
    May 8, 2014 at 0:53

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First and foremost, flag it for spam. This way, it can get moderated appropriately.

Downvotes are helpful too, as it reduces the overall visibility of the question itself on the front page. This potentially helps reduce the footprint of others potentially clicking on the link.

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  • My question is not about what to do. My question is why 6 users didn't do that before I arrived on the post.
    – rene
    Apr 27, 2014 at 18:23
  • How do you know? The spam flag isn't made visible to anyone but moderators and internal system processes. All six of 'em could have flagged it for spam, or none of them could. We can't know that just by inference. What I'm suggesting here is independent of anyone else that participates/sees a post like that - flagging for spam is paramount, and downvotes can help too.
    – Makoto
    Apr 27, 2014 at 18:24
  • My point is that users with enough rep to downvote (125 rep) a spam post should at least leave a spam flag as well (flagging requires 15 rep).
    – rene
    Apr 27, 2014 at 18:26
  • Again, I maintain that you don't know for certain that they didn't. That is, unless you could demonstrate to me otherwise...? To that point, one can't really control how someone interacts with a post like this; I could only hope that they at least flag it for spam. I'm merely giving advice with the best of intentions that they actually carry through and flag the bad question. I would hope, now, that you would be doing the same.
    – Makoto
    Apr 27, 2014 at 18:29
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    @rene You're forgetting that the implicit downvote from a spam flag does not count as a user's downvote. There are a lot of users who will flag as spam and downvote, which actually leaves 2 downvotes on the post, from one spam flag. The number of users who downvoted but didn't flag is probably much lower than you're theorizing.
    – animuson StaffMod
    Apr 27, 2014 at 19:15
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    @rene But if you arrive at a post that has 6 downvotes, it could very well have been 3 users flagging as spam and downvoting. You can't assume it was just 6 people downvoting and not flagging. (Note I'm talking in general.)
    – animuson StaffMod
    Apr 27, 2014 at 19:24

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