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I'm noticing that when I downvote some users with a comment, I get a -2(downvote) to my answer within 2 minutes.

And the answer is a recent one, with upvotes on it. (I'm confirming that my answer was useful)

So, I am starting to believe that the users whom I downvoted with a comment are going through my profile and downvoting me.

So, should I stop giving comments when I downvote someone?

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    There are some that want to make commenting mandatory when downvoting... You are experiencing one of the main reasons why that is a bad idea.
    – Martijn Pieters Mod
    Apr 19, 2014 at 8:03
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    @Praveen: When your own post is downvoted, you lose 2 points. When you downvote someone else's answer, you lose 1 point.
    – Martijn Pieters Mod
    Apr 19, 2014 at 8:06
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    I don't actually see any downvotes on your profile I can correlate to a comment you left; make sure you don't jump to conclusions about whom voted, either. :-)
    – Martijn Pieters Mod
    Apr 19, 2014 at 8:27
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    @MartijnPieters I didn't jump to conclusion. I was "starting to believe" ;)
    – Amit Joki
    Apr 19, 2014 at 8:28
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    @AmitJoki: I didn't say you did. :-) I said "make sure you don't". :-P
    – Martijn Pieters Mod
    Apr 19, 2014 at 8:31
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    Random note regarding one of your recent said comments (although I'm guessing that that's not the one you're talking about) - you seemingly downvoted someone's answer because of one of their comments on your answer, which isn't particularly appropriate - you should vote on content, not users (if a post is useful, upvote it, if it's not, downvote it - who posted it or what else they posted shouldn't matter), even if it's difficult to stick to this sometimes. I assume the comment you're talking about was deleted. Apr 19, 2014 at 8:52
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    Usually if I think a competing answer has flaws, I write a comment without downvoting, leaving the other answerer a chance to change the answer or justify the relevant part. Then if the user does not react to my comment I downvote a bit later. This seems to avoid some people's need for revenge
    – Niklas B.
    Apr 20, 2014 at 0:27
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    @AmitJoki - so your question is complaining about people making "revenge downvotes", and then in a comment under that question, you admit making a revenge downvote yourself. This makes it difficult to take your complaint seriously. Apr 20, 2014 at 1:02
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    @NiklasB. An answer "having flaws" is not a sufficient reason for a downvote. Downvotes should be reserved for answers that are actively misleading - that do more harm than good.
    – Warren Dew
    Apr 20, 2014 at 1:15
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    @DavidWallace From a community management standpoint, it behooves us to take the complaint even more seriously, if even the complainants are participating in the problem.
    – Warren Dew
    Apr 20, 2014 at 1:16
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    @NiklasB. Your earlier comment reads as if you will downvote any answer that "has flaws", if the writer "does not react to [your] comment", implying that you consider all flaws worth downvoting if not corrected.
    – Warren Dew
    Apr 20, 2014 at 2:55
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    @WarrenDew From the context it is pretty obvious that I meant answers having flaws that are worthy of a downvote (because the discussion is about downvotes)
    – Niklas B.
    Apr 20, 2014 at 2:56
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    I'd ignore him. Apr 20, 2014 at 5:40
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    Upvotes and downvotes are for indicating the quality of questions and answers, not for implementing personal vendettas. Apr 20, 2014 at 5:42
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    @AmitJoki I felt the same when I started on SO, but if you think about it, it's really not worth your time. Even if you care about reputation (which I do), the -2 is barely noticable. The only problem is that you might get rated below other answers, but that often resolves itself if your answer is indeed the best one. I've had heated situations like yours as well and usually tried to resolve the personal element in a way similar to how you did, but I later realized it was not worth it to begin with
    – Niklas B.
    Apr 20, 2014 at 6:37

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It is a pity some people feel a need to retaliate when they think they know who downvoted them; not everyone appreciates feedback!

Do keep giving feedback on downvoted posts, in the long run you'll win out; such behaviour happens but is not that common, luckily.

If anyone tries to downvote a series of your posts, then their downvotes will be reverted automatically by the nightly serial voting reversal script; voting should target content, not users, after all.

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    hmm. I don't understand why users are getting annoyed because of getting downvotes when there is a valid reason. This is a place where we can learn something from our mistakes right?
    – Praveen
    Apr 19, 2014 at 8:10
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    @Praveen: not everyone is mature enough to understand that.
    – Martijn Pieters Mod
    Apr 19, 2014 at 8:12
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    I wonder if anyone has ever created a secondary account who's sole purpose is to comment for a downvote left by the main account. That secondary account could get to 50 rep using edits. That way the secondary account would have no posts for a retaliating user to downvote.
    – Mysticial
    Apr 19, 2014 at 8:14
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    @Mysticial: I should totally create Martijn's downvote ninja right now! People will never know its me! :-P
    – Martijn Pieters Mod
    Apr 19, 2014 at 8:16
  • @Mysticial great scenario. But will it really happen..? thinking.. thinking..
    – Praveen
    Apr 19, 2014 at 8:16
  • @Praveen It's totally doable. It circumvents a deficiency in the current system that doesn't let you comment anonymously. I won't speak for whether it's allowed though. But I definitely wouldn't call it voting fraud. You're still casting one vote.
    – Mysticial
    Apr 19, 2014 at 8:21
  • I've had points reinstated that were removed by a serial downvoter. It also works in reverse - serial upvoting will also be corrected! Apr 19, 2014 at 11:35
  • Just had this happen to me. I ain't even mad, but I can't begin to comprehend how some people live with knowing they couldn't justify their retaliatory downvotes by anything other than pique.
    – BoltClock
    Apr 21, 2014 at 8:05
  • @BoltClock: I can only imagine how much more diamond moderators must experience this kind of response, though. :-)
    – Martijn Pieters Mod
    Apr 21, 2014 at 8:08
  • @Martijn Pieters: To be honest, not all that much - thanks to the fact that you need 125 rep to cast downvotes :)
    – BoltClock
    Apr 21, 2014 at 8:09
  • I'm thankfull someone finally commented on my downvoted answer. Now I understand what I did wrong and I can do better in the future! So thank you to everyone who does give comments on downvotes.
    – Sjoerd
    Mar 10, 2015 at 8:43
  • What if a comment was actually required to accompany a downvote, but the downvoter has the option of remaining anonymous?
    – Booboo
    Jul 9, 2023 at 16:10
  • @Booboo That has already been proposed, and is also not without issues: meta.stackoverflow.com/q/407716
    – E_net4
    Jul 9, 2023 at 16:26
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The answer is the question. What does a commentless downvote achieve? Makes a post you don't like for some reason, drop down the stack and perhaps ensures its closure/ deletion. Other than that, nothing. Personally I think downvote without a comment should cost more reputation points than an anonymous one. There are way too many people on here more concerned with punishing bad answers or worse still 'bad' questions, than learning or teaching. We've got to manage the questions somehow, but if we keep going the way we are, people will come here to earn a reputation, instead of coming here and earning a reputation.

So my answer is you should reserve just downvoting, for absolute garbage, like help it doesn't work or how do I hack my girlfriend's email account.

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It's too bad there isn't a vote delay timer on new posts to prevent fly-bys.
Something based on how long you've been on the that particular post and its length - e.g. a 2 line post 10 seconds, a 5 paragraph post a minute.
Maybe it's not practical but it makes you less inclined to participate on this board when you feel that your posts are being downvoted either arbitrarily or because you angered a power player.

I've had a new question downvoted before it was even 10 seconds old - not enough time to read the post let alone consider its merit. So it was either voted down purely because of the title or as a spite move.

Edited: The case I was referring to was in regards to posting new question, not a reply to question. Edited post to clarify that.

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    It is often possible to tell in under 10 seconds that a post fails to answer the question. It is often possible to tell in under 10 seconds that the code in a post doesn't compile, or contains serious bugs. It is often possible to tell in under 10 seconds that an answer is just completely wrong. I have certainly downvoted answers in the past, within 10 seconds of first seeing them; and I stand by every one of my downvotes. Apr 20, 2014 at 5:48
  • Fails to answer the question - possibly, but to evaluate a new question that contains more than a couple of sentences - no. Edited my post to clarify that I was actually referring to a post of a new question, not a reply.
    – TheSteven
    Apr 21, 2014 at 7:30
  • @DavidWallace - in regards to downvoting replies, yes some replies can determined as wrong, out of context, etc. fairly quickly. I was approaching the issue from the viewpoint of having a new question getting immediately downvoted. When a new post containing a couple of paragraphs of information gets downvoted before it's even 10 seconds old with no comments - I don't believe that the downvote is actually based on the merit of the question or see how it can be viewed as constructive to the poster or the community.
    – TheSteven
    Apr 21, 2014 at 7:53
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    @TheSteven I can often tell from the title of a question alone that it's a terrible question; poorly researched, frequently duplicated questions, for example, are often discoverable from the title alone.
    – Servy
    Apr 21, 2014 at 13:32
  • @TheSteven I don't care how many paragraphs or lines of code you included. If your question title is == doesn't work for strings in Java, I'm opening the question just to downvote and mark as duplicate without reading a single line of the question body.
    – nhgrif
    Jul 11, 2014 at 1:33
  • @nhgrif if the goal is to improve the forum and the quality of its content then your approach fails to do either. Perhaps the title is bad or doesn't properly summarize the issue. Perhaps the user is a nube (or English isn't their main language) then a (helpful) comment would be more beneficial; it would not only help point them in the right direction but also improve their future posts. Granted there are posts that deserve to be down voted and often the title can be an indicator of the quality of the post but as the sole judging factor? Consider the saying about judging a book by it's cover.
    – TheSteven
    Jul 13, 2014 at 18:45
  • Of course, to a busy and possibly frustrated programmer leaving a comment is more time consuming and lacks the satisfaction & anonymity (and points?) that slapping a down vote gives.
    – TheSteven
    Jul 13, 2014 at 18:50
  • @TheSteven Perhaps you're unfamiliar with how frequently this particular Java question is asked. Moreover, the duplicate close vote comment automatically leaves a comment--a link to the question they clearly couldn't bother to look at before posting theirs. I'm not suggesting that I never leave comments, but certainly there are times that I've downvoted and posted a close vote without necessarily leaving a comment. The close vote is comment enough.
    – nhgrif
    Jul 13, 2014 at 21:52
  • Moreover, posting a comment to someone's question that will obviously be closed sometimes tends to lead into a pointless argument in the comment section as it has in the recent past with a == doesn't work for strings in Java question.
    – nhgrif
    Jul 13, 2014 at 21:54

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