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As can be observed on the close stats page a significant number of custom close reasons is about a question being asked in a language other than English. This is currently covered by either "Needs more clarity" or a custom close reason. Could we have a site-specific standard closure message for such questions, please?

The reason why "Needs more clarity" is not enough is that quite often OP doesn't notice that they asked in the wrong language or that we even require posts to be written in English. Asking them for more details can be a little confusing. On the other hand, a custom close reason can be written in any number of ways often sounding blunt or even impolite.

It would be nice to have a standard reason that explains why we require English language and point users to sites in their local languages.

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    If OP doesn't notice that they're on a site for a completely different language than what they're writing in, I doubt any massaging of close reasons will help get the point across. (If anything, I'd like for first-time posters to be required to click a button: "What language is this question in" and have the question blocked and redirected if not English) It would also probably be not too hard to automatically detect and block questions that have significant non-English and lacking English phrases Commented Nov 29, 2020 at 16:48
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    @CertainPerformance Actually, pointing it out does work. I saw a number of users apologize for forgetting to translate.
    – Dharman Mod
    Commented Nov 29, 2020 at 16:49
  • I'm sure we've all thought of this, but don't think it happens often enough to ask for another standard reason in meta.
    – Red
    Commented Nov 29, 2020 at 17:01
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    The link requires a high level of privileges and the data itself changes over time. Can you include the information you’re looking at in the post itself?
    – Laurel
    Commented Nov 29, 2020 at 17:24
  • @Laurel I don't understand why that link is not accessible to all 3k+ users.
    – Dharman Mod
    Commented Nov 29, 2020 at 17:26
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    @AnnZen It happens all the time for some users, just because you don't see it doesn't mean it doesn't happen. Look at the statistics.
    – 10 Rep
    Commented Nov 29, 2020 at 18:06
  • @Dharman: The screencap you shared is part of the moderator tools window, which is only available to 10k+ users.
    – Makoto
    Commented Nov 29, 2020 at 18:20
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    Which close reason you suggest to remove as the number of close reasons is fixed? Commented Nov 29, 2020 at 19:04
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    @AlexeiLevenkov I did not know that. Where does it say it?
    – Dharman Mod
    Commented Nov 29, 2020 at 19:05
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    We are already at the maximum number of site-specific close reasons, and have been for many years. Thus, any new reason must replace an existing site-specific reason. As with all requests for new/additional site-specific close reasons, you need to specify which currently existing site-specific close reason should be replaced by the one you propose. In general, that means you need to demonstrate that your new proposed reason is used more often than at least one existing reason, and/or that it will be beneficial to the community to replace a current reason with the one you propose.
    – Makyen Mod
    Commented Nov 29, 2020 at 20:51
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    @Makyen Is there a reason why we can't have any more site-specific reasons? This seems like an artificial limitation.
    – Dharman Mod
    Commented Nov 29, 2020 at 20:55
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    Wow, my custom closing comments hold the positions no. 2, 3, and 4 simultaneously, with a cumulative score of 86 (plus 19 more below)! Maybe I should request this to be added to the standard reasons... :)
    – desertnaut
    Commented Nov 29, 2020 at 22:14
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    @Makyen just roll server faul and super user into one close reason, removing the references to either and then SO has a extra slot.
    – Braiam
    Commented Nov 30, 2020 at 21:15
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    @Braiam Yes, that's a solution I've been considering. Basically, just make a single "Not programming as defined in the help center" reason.
    – Makyen Mod
    Commented Nov 30, 2020 at 21:24

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The language barrier runs in both directions.

Unless it's localized for whatever language the person happens to be posting in, there is no messaging that exists that will convey the message that their question has to be posted in English. Worse, they may be in a position where they can't actively understand English and their language doesn't have a dedicated localized version of Stack Overflow, so they're doubly out of luck.

Closing it period is the best we can do, as we are only able to deal with the symptom of a question not in English appearing on the site. The actual affliction is further out of reach.

I'll also add that this is something on the order of 500 closures. We had on the order of 55,000 closures this past 30 days. This is an "issue" that applies to a small fraction of users, and there's not enough of a compelling argument that I'm seeing that'd justify spending the time on it from a developer's perspective.

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    Devil's advocate: Languages can be automatically deduced (quite reliably) from sufficient corpus (see: Google Translate). A single message in a specific language (say, English) can then be automatically translated into that language with understandable results in many cases (see again: Google Translate). In other words, we could do this if we wanted to. Commented Nov 29, 2020 at 22:36
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    @FrédéricHamidi: I would not trust Google Translate to reliably convey localized meaning to why someone's post needs to be in English. Furthermore, given the nuances of languages that are ambiguous in character set (thinking Chinese and Japanese here), not convinced that it'd be worth the effort. Furthermore, we're talking about a problem that isn't all that common. Less than 500 closures for a post being in a foreign language is less than 1% of all the posts that were closed in the last month. I don't see the ROI on even relying on Google Translate to help what is a minor problem.
    – Makoto
    Commented Nov 30, 2020 at 0:50
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    That's the thing, we do not need an accurate or meaningful translation, what we need is to detect whenever or not it's in English. If we can say with >90% certainty that something is English and <10% that is not English, then it's very likely to be English. We don't need to know what it is, just what it isn't.
    – Braiam
    Commented Nov 30, 2020 at 16:09
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    @Braiam: No, this is incorrect. This mentality is what brought about the notion of Engrish, in that we have one language trying to transliterate to another language with little concern or emphasis on the message trying to be conveyed. In other words, just translating it is the i18n part of the work; actually making it make sense is the l10n part of the work. Stopping short of l10n is both a slap to the face of non-native speakers and is incredibly lazy on the part of Stack Overflow, since we want to be crystal clear when we say "English only".
    – Makoto
    Commented Nov 30, 2020 at 16:44
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    @Makoto even "Engrish" is easily discernible to non-speakers, it's about common strings on one language.
    – Braiam
    Commented Nov 30, 2020 at 19:21
  • @Braiam: Except it isn't. If it's not done well then you introduce more ambiguity. Also don't get me started on how bad Google Translate is for certain languages (like Japanese).
    – Makoto
    Commented Nov 30, 2020 at 20:47
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    Again, we don't want to translate anything at all: just answering the question "is this english?" with a yes or no response. Your argument is entirely based on a strawman, nobody here wants to translate anything, just tell them that their post is not in English.
    – Braiam
    Commented Nov 30, 2020 at 21:14
  • @Braiam: I fail to see how what I'm saying is a straw man. If you're going to say, "This post needs to be in English" in the myriad of languages of the world, then it needs to be said clearly. I'm not willing to agree with a half-assed approach to that, which is what I'm honing in on.
    – Makoto
    Commented Nov 30, 2020 at 21:15
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    Even if it's half-assed, if it prevents 90% of the questions that are not in english from being asked in not-english that's good enough. That's 90% of questions that people don't have to waste time with.
    – Braiam
    Commented Nov 30, 2020 at 21:22

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