Historically Meta Stack Overflow was where three things were discussed:
- Debate, Discuss, Protest things happening in Stack Overflow/Exchange the company
- Stack Overflow communicating features that would affect the entire network
- Issues of particular concern to the Stack Overflow programmer community
Ideally, we would only have to deal with #3, and #1 and #2 would be handled elsewhere. This is how the vast majority of meta sites operate, and it would be beneficial to the Stack Overflow programmer community if we could operate in the same manner. We could conceivably talk about #1 and #2 but that takes this site away from the purpose of a meta site: To discuss issues relevant to that site and resolve them.
We can't really resolve company issues here; and that leads to frustration on the part of the community for 'not being heard' and presumably frustration on the part of the company.
However, Meta has always been that hammer, even if the problem isn't a nail.
We need a public place to commune where we feel like we're being heard by Stack Overflow (the company); but as we've found, putting it on Meta.SO splits the focus of this meta site, and unnecessarily distracts from particular community issues that we have. Meta.SO should not have to be that place, though I'm not sure with the inertia we'll ever get away from using Meta.SO as a means to publicly ask the company to change its direction on issues.
To expound on each part:
Debate, Discuss, Protest things happening in Stack Overflow/Exchange (the company)
Meta has been used historically to press Stack Overflow (the company) for change, whether it's feature changes, outreach changes, marketing changes, sales changes, or general feedback. Some of this was moved to Meta.SE, but some of it still exists on Meta.SO.
When it was just Stack Overflow and three other sites, that was OK. Now that it's a family of 300+ sites, several rounds of VC, and a desire to 'exit' for those VCs, the small town feel that meta provided no longer aligns with the business needs of the company. (Once again, I'm saying this as an outside observer, I have no inside knowledge, and I don't speak for the company; nor could I since I'm not a representative of the company).
So what happens when you keep trying to do things because "we've always done them that way" even though the entire landscape around you has changed? Frustration happens. Regardless of how much parts of the community may want that "small town direct action" feel when posting a meta question in hopes of getting Stack Overflow the company to do something or change something, it's gone. It's not happening. It may happen in extremely isolated circumstances that could be akin to catching lightning in a bottle; but it should not be expected to be a regular occurrence.
Does that mean Stack Overflow (the company) has stopped listening? Not at all! If anything, it means they're doing exactly what I would expect a business that wants to survive to do: They're picking the avenues of action that will do two things:
- Net them the most amount of feedback for their target audience for the least cost.
- Focus on delivering on their mission and value proposition.
As much as we enjoy kicking around on meta, even if we agreed it would fulfill #1 (we don't), it wouldn't fill #2, even though it'd feel good. If you're busy delivering, you aren't busy talking about delivering. It's the same here. Corporations do not have unlimited resources and time.
So for us, this is a good thing. We won't get frustrated about attempting to change things we can't (or shouldn't) try to change; and the Stack Overflow folks can focus on iterating on the core Q&A product to improve its reputation (and thereby grow its audience), and on getting targeted feedback when they need it from that audience. We have not been the target audience for a long time, we are a subset of the audience, but we aren't enough in numbers to sustain a business.
Stack Overflow communicating features that would affect the entire network
Part and parcel to the second half of the above is how they get feedback and how they communicate with their target audience. Meta is Stack Overflow's garage where we've hung out and talked about the halycon days, but now we're asking the entire neighborhood (or city, depending on how you look at it) to come to our garage to talk about HOA problems. We need a community center, and Stack Overflow's Meta isn't that. It's a garage for talking with close friends about our challenges and opportunities for this site.
We benefit in a few ways from moving HOA problems to a community center: First is that there's no perceived favoritism in a site. Second is that when new people come along, they're not used to looking for answers in someone's garage. In fact, if you told me the HOA meeting was going to be in Joe's garage I'd start to feel a bit uncomfortable about the whole affair unless I was best friends with Joe. We don't want people to feel uncomfortable about coming into our community. That's bad for us financially.
Yes, not the company, but Us. You and Me.
Stack Overflow has a few options:
- Pay back VC with returns so they can stay a private company.
- Sell.
- Go Public.
I don't see #3 happening without a whole lot of growth trajectory of the other SE sites. I can see #2 happening, but I hope for #1.
If Stack Overflow pays back VCs with their returns we could expect a reduced staff at Stack Overflow (sad face); but the core and essence of what this site is would stay the same. We would also expect the company to operate on a profitable trajectory, and that way we'd have a better relationship with them, as the growth rate would hopefully be slower, more manageable, and our voices would count for more.
If Stack Overflow sells, we're looking at few companies who would be in the right place to buy them:
- Microsoft - Our best choice given the alternatives. Likely lots of the other non-tech Stack Exchange sites would fall by the wayside, sadly.
- Google - Not a good suitor. They love dumping properties; and they don't have a good track-record for maintaining software.
- Apple - I can't see this happening. Apple doesn't seem to be in the business of buying up these types of sites; but it could happen. Not necessarily a bad choice; but an unknown choice as this would be the most public opportunity for feedback, and they're a notoriously closed company when it comes to responding to feedback.
- Atlassian - This makes the most sense to me, but I can't imagine it'd be a good relationship since they're an Australian company and the whole encryption-back-door thing is happening there right now. This would be bad for us once they realized Stack Overflow is a bit different than their other acquisitions.
- Potentially Slack, once they IPO. I could see this happening since it dovetail's nicely with their mission.
There are other potential suitors; but those are the biggest ones I can think of. Really unless it's Microsoft you can expect big changes.
Overall, I bring this up because we want Stack Overflow to do well enough financially to sustain themselves and pay back VCs (or do so well as to go public) but we don't really want them to get acquired unless it's by Microsoft. It's in our best interest to move from the garage to the community center and to support Stack Overflow in this move.