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Edit: I disagree that my question is a duplicate of this one; I am asking about the discrepancy between audits that require action and can be passed by flagging for NAA (or even VLQ) and "real" reviews of posts that have the same issues but where an NAA/VLQ flag would surely be declined. There a lot of them; I have passed most of the ones that I encountered but I'm not happy with the discrepancy since it keeps quality standards inconsistent. Hence my question.

I have recently started reviewing First Posts and Late Answers on Stack Overflow. In the process, one inevitably encounters many bad answers; I have been flagging these where I deemed appropriate. For guidance I used this excellent answer.

After having a number of NAA and one VLQ flag declined, I have started flagging with less zeal since apparently the standard for "answer" (as in not NAA) is pretty low. As a consequence of this, I have failed some audits, most recently this one, and am now review-banned, for the second time. Personally, I think we should hold answers to a high standard, so I don't think the post is a particularly valuable answer. But it seems to me, given the meta answer linked above and my recent declined flags, that it should not be flagged as NAA – so it should not have been an audit.

Now, having some bad audits seems inevitable, but this isn't the first one I have encountered where I actually would like to flag as NAA, but the rules tell me otherwise.

So I would like to ask: Can we handle NAA (and possibly VLQ, although maybe they're more clear-cut) more consistently, so that we can either flag with confidence, or have fewer questionable audits? I would prefer to uphold a higher standard for answers, but I'm not going to do that if my flags just keep getting declined (since that's a pretty clear indication that I'm doing it wrong).

Alternatively, if you think the way NAA flags are handled is fine, I would really appreciate some guidance (beyond the posts I have linked) as to when to flag as NAA. Because right now, I'm not sure how to proceed once I'm no longer review banned – I'd rather not get another ban, but flagging as NAA when I'm probably going to get declined is not great either, as it wastes the time of those handling the flags.

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  • @RobertLongson thanks for the link; I had read part 1 but was unaware of part 2. I have read it now, and it seems it mostly deals with the "apples vs oranges" issue; this is not what my question is about. I am asking regarding answers that address the question, but are of very little value (eg not link-only, but close, or less than five words). Jul 1, 2018 at 9:29
  • There is another discussion here
    – greg-449
    Jul 1, 2018 at 10:32
  • @greg-449 This is the one I have linked in my question. It‘s good, but applying it rigorously does not have the desired result. Jul 1, 2018 at 10:52
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    @O.O.Balance those kind of little value answers are why we have downvotes. Feel free to dish those out as and when. Jul 1, 2018 at 11:04
  • @RobertLongson So there are just a lot of bad audits? I‘m not just talking about the handful that I have failed, the ones I have passed are many more. Jul 1, 2018 at 11:21
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    Possible duplicate of There is no shame in using "Skip"
    – gnat
    Jul 1, 2018 at 21:35
  • @gnat That probably cannot be said often enough. I already skip a lot of reviews though; and from the guidance available on NAA flagging I would actually say that I‘m not unsure about reviewing – just conflicted. Jul 1, 2018 at 21:48
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    you don't skip enough as evidenced by your audit failure. You said it yourself, "I don't think the post is a particularly valuable answer" - this is the absolutely strong reason to skip, and you failed the audit because you didn't do this
    – gnat
    Jul 1, 2018 at 21:55
  • @gnat Sorry, but I disagree. If I really have to skip even more reviews, I'll probably stop reviewing FP/LA. The audit is bad when it tells you flagging for VLQ is valid when in reality the flag would certainly be declined. In the real world, "Any post that attempts to answer the question—however badly—is still an answer!" (see the linked answer in my post) gets applied pretty consistently to NAA flags and VLQ is even worse ("gibberish", see the guidance on using that flag on meta in several places). Jul 2, 2018 at 6:04
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    @O.O.Balance "So there are just a lot of bad audits?" - difficult to say. There are definitely audits based on really bad moderation decisions - those are often fixed when reported on meta. However there is also the grey area of audits which are exceptionally misleading; a good example is a bit of content which looks fine but was deleted as spam because the author was a known spammer. Are those bad audits? Or actually really good, given that the function of an audit is to make sure you're paying attention?
    – Gimby
    Jul 2, 2018 at 8:40
  • @Gimby When reviewing, it is not required to be familiar with the posting history of the author. If there's nothing in a post to suggest it's spam, it should not be an audit. It does however help to visit the author's profile if the answer contains a link – often you can find the same website there or the name matches. In those cases, it's spam (and a legitimate audit) due to lack of disclosure of affiliation. Jul 2, 2018 at 8:46
  • well if you want to feel comfortable easily approving suspicious posts then it's indeed better to stop reviewing FP/LA. There are tens thousands users eligible to do these reviews and I think enough of them will feel okay sticking with more thorough and critical approach. See also: How should I get started reviewing Late Answers and First Posts? (given recent comments this may be even better duplicate than I initially suggested)
    – gnat
    Jul 2, 2018 at 9:05
  • @gnat I don't think you're hearing me: I don't want to review to a lower standard at all. My approach to reviewing is thorough and critical, but I do look at the flags that are declined. I just don't want to flag for NAA when the flag is just going to be declined (causing more work for those handling flags). Refer to CodeCaster's answer. As for the audits, they routinely suggest flagging in cases where it's simply not warranted (that does not mean the post is not "suspicious", which btw I do recognise). Jul 2, 2018 at 9:11
  • @O.O.Balance You don't have to take notice of the author at all, the only thing you have to do is go to the question page and notice the content is not there. That is the easiest way to catch any audit, good or bad. But... it takes time.
    – Gimby
    Jul 3, 2018 at 8:12

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when to flag as NAA

Almost never.

Quite some users want to get rid of low-quality answers, but VLQ nor NAA are the correct flags there. The only recommended course of action is to downvote and move on.

Unless an answer literally states "Thanks, this helped me!", or "I'm having this problem too, how did you solve it?" or "wharrgarbl", you can't flag it as NAA because then the mods will have to actually read and evaluate the correctness of the answer, which they don't want to.

The VLQ flag is equally useless, and I can't find any uniform advice about its application. You can't use it for poorly formatted posts, you can't use it for incorrect posts, you can't really use it anytime:

If you think that the post could be improved by you, the community, or the author, no matter how remote that possibility, don't flag it.

So while it seems counter-productive, either skip every review where you doubt the correct course of action, or stop reviewing altogether. It is busywork.

If you want to be able to get rid of very poor-quality answers that appear to attempt to answer the question at hand but spectacularly fail to do so if you actually read the answer, then get some more reputation until you can cast delete-votes.

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    OT: Wharrgarbl is the best sounding bit of gibberish I've heard in a long time. Definitely going to be the name of a future game character.
    – Gimby
    Jul 2, 2018 at 8:05
  • @Gimby It's an old meme. (sprinkler dog) Jul 3, 2018 at 3:46
  • Honestly, I'd love to delete many of the answers with these flags, but my hands are tied by the site's policies on how we handle these types of answers. I reckon we should be more rigorous in deleting posts.
    – user3956566
    Jul 4, 2018 at 8:01

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