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I could be mistaken, but this tag seems about as helpful as something like , which is to say, it is not helpful here.

It currently has 529 followers and 3,367 questions.

Before burnination can begin, there is an ambiguity that needs to be dealt with first, so applicable questions need to be retagged manually. As indicated by the wiki for :

For questions related to Microsoft Project use the tag .

Burninate?

To review the guidelines for burnination:

1. Does it describe the contents of the questions to which it is applied? Is it unambiguous?

A: Yes. No.

The tag does describe contents of the question (as almost all programming questions are related to a of some sort), but it does not provide any useful description of the question. No one can be an expert in . And since it is ambiguous with and apparently, it needs to go.

2. Is the concept described even on-topic for the site?

A: Technically, yes.

Though by that criteria alone, would be a valid tag.

3. Does the tag add any meaningful information to the post?

A: No.

As the tag can apply across all different languages, environments, stacks, etc., it does not provide any meaningful addition to posts.

4. Does it mean the same thing in all common contexts?

A: No(?)

As stated before, it needs to be replaced with in questions where that applies. According to this comment, others may need to be retagged with . In other questions where it is used to signify the general term, it does mean the same thing, though.

Now that there are two ambiguous tags, and , another question to consider is if this is worth the growing effort it appears to require?

Possible Alternative to Burnination

We edit the wiki to narrow the accepted criteria for usage of the tag, retag needed questions, but otherwise leave other questions alone.

Answers

Answers to this request might argue for or against burnination, propose other alternatives, and / or propose a new wiki entry for to make it narrower, should we decide to keep it.

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  • On a side note, before the burnination is officially accepted, would it be okay to start retagging some of the applicable questions now, or would there be any harm in doing so? Commented Feb 13, 2018 at 21:51
  • While I don't feel strongly about this tag, the counterargument is that project, defined as a collection of files and resources used in the development of an application or service per the tag wiki, is a term that is used often in IDEs, and most questions refer to it in that regard. There's a lot of misuse of the tag, but all questions that properly use it form a distinct collection (mostly questions about IDEs, how they manage projects and files, how to organize and search through files in a project, etc.)
    – Erik A
    Commented Feb 13, 2018 at 21:53
  • @ErikvonAsmuth then perhaps this complicates the process a bit. I'll go ahead and include that in the question, but would retagging those as ide be a possible solution? Commented Feb 13, 2018 at 21:54
  • ide is a very broad tag. This is a distinct subset. I'd personally refrain from retagging them ide unless they would be orphaned otherwise (e.g. the combination visual-studio + project will probably contain questions about VS projects, but the combination ide + visual-studio will probably contain nothing in particular outside of visual studio)
    – Erik A
    Commented Feb 13, 2018 at 21:59
  • @ErikvonAsmuth I see your point. One thing I think you're wrong about is saying it's a distinct subset though. If that were true, every question tagged project would also be tagged ide. However, it's starting to look like a decent counter argument regardless, and I'm wondering if instead of burnination we need to change the wiki to reflect the tag should be used in cases where project layout is somehow relevant to the question. Commented Feb 13, 2018 at 22:01
  • Sounds like a good idea, a more narrow excerpt with specific tag guidance certainly is welcome. This question is gathering some upvotes, imo we could wait for some more opinions before making a decision
    – Erik A
    Commented Feb 13, 2018 at 22:06
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    Title suggestion: Does the [project] have too much scope? Commented Feb 13, 2018 at 23:27
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    Who is helped by that tag being present? I mean is somebody going to see a question tagged "project" and then think Oh how interesting, I love questions that are specifically about a "project" which is a collection of files and resources. Let me go take a look!. I can't imagine it, it is going to be paired with a more relevant tag that will draw the interest (SoapUI, Visual Studio, etc.). Meanwhile it is as ambiguous as you can make it and only too easy for people to start applying for no specific reason at all. Just burn that sucker.
    – Gimby
    Commented Feb 14, 2018 at 10:22
  • Please note the existence of the visual-studio-project and eclipse-project-file tags. Any others that are similar?
    – DavidRR
    Commented Feb 14, 2018 at 13:31
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    The most popular combination is [java][project]. The [java] tag is certainly very broad with a million questions. The only way you can tell that it is not actually about the Java language is by the presence of the [project] tag. Don't screw that up. Commented Feb 14, 2018 at 13:43
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    Notably, project management questions are off-topic and should be asked at pm.stackexchange.com. The only kind of "projects" that are on-topic are projects being a collection of source code files. We also have project-management which I believe people have tried to burn before.
    – Lundin
    Commented Feb 14, 2018 at 13:45
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    Punny title candidate: Start a burninate project to burninate project?
    – Lundin
    Commented Feb 14, 2018 at 15:02
  • @Lundin decided to go with a variant of your suggestion Commented Feb 14, 2018 at 15:20
  • @ErikvonAsmuth &PatrickRoberts Maybe we can create a new ide-project tag and use it to retag questions properly using project to refer to IDE projects?
    – robinCTS
    Commented Feb 19, 2018 at 1:47
  • @robinCTS I dislike that suggestion, since it will be harder to find. I frequent the ms-access tag, and about one in five questions that should have that tag are tagged access instead even though the excerpt explicitly states not to use that tag for it. If we don't blacklisted the project tag, I imagine something similar will happen
    – Erik A
    Commented Feb 19, 2018 at 7:48

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Is [project] too broad?

Yes. It's the definition of a meta tag. The TL;DR principle is

The reason meta-tags are a problem is that they do not describe the content of the question.

Most of the terrible questions have to do with coding projects in general (and not a specific type of project). I don't think is the solution to most. In fact I would say, for those questions that are salvageable, the tag should just be removed (except where a specific tag exists, like , , etc). The good ones at least reference some other on-topic tag

We edit the project wiki to narrow the accepted criteria for usage of the tag, retag needed questions, but otherwise leave other questions alone.

The reason we burninate in the first place is that the tag is drawing bad questions (bad tags encourage bad questions). Since the tag is not necessary for the on-topic questions, burnination is appropriate here

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  • Burninating it and rettaging some to visual-studio-project, but not creating android-studio-project, r-studio-project, eclipse-project, etc. feels a bit weird to me. It's not a meta tag, it's a commonly used concept in IDEs. You can ask about it (since IDEs are on-topic), but it's pretty meaningless without specifying the IDE. With it, it has meaning, and is narrow. Feels a bit like the VBA or word-vba, excel-vba, etc. discussion to me.
    – Erik A
    Commented Feb 14, 2018 at 16:09
  • I don't think it's meta, either: or at least, it's not necessarily meta. It may end up being used that way most of the time. But project is a concept in and of itself.
    – Joe
    Commented Feb 14, 2018 at 17:06
  • I don't think it's so much "bad tags encourage bad questions" as the other way around. Users posting bad questions tend to tag incorrectly (and ignore specific instructions in the tag popup on when not to use it) / use bad tags.
    – robinCTS
    Commented Feb 19, 2018 at 2:01
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I think does have some value, though it's unclear if that value is reflected in the questions it is tagged with, and perhaps that means its value is insufficient to exist.

I think one important subset of questions here are tools that programmers use, and a subset of that is not IDEs but specifically how to organize one's code for best effect. This is analogous to, for example, using Subversion or Git.

While some of you probably think the concept of "how to organize your code by using a project" is obvious and not worth its own topic, many older programmers (meaning, people who programmed in the 1970s, for example) find the concept entirely odd. In other languages, the concept of project doesn't exist. This is a common issue in my language of choice - - where we have a relatively new IDE (ten years old, but that's relatively new for a programming language 50 years old) that people being using but don't know how to best utilize the "project" that comes with it as opposed to separate programs that they've been writing for decades, or their professors taught them to write.

And so, it is a concept that has some validity in asking - when to make a project as opposed to a single program, for example. How to best use projects - do we have one big project file for the entire application? Do we have separate project files for different major elements of the application?

I don't know that there are all that many questions in this arena, but I think it's nonzero, and worth at least considering.

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