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is a company, and in line with the recent burninations of and , and I propose that we burninate it.

Addressing the points Shog9 makes:

  • Does it describe the contents of the questions to which it is applied? and is it unambiguous?

    Well, it sort-of describes the contents and it's mainly unambiguous.

  • Is the concept described even on-topic for the site?

    No, as it is a company, not a programming-related product.

  • Does the tag add any meaningful information to the post?

    Clearly not.

  • Does it mean the same thing in all common contexts?

    Yes.

The tag wiki just states that it is a company that makes telephones and reads like a company promotion one-liner. Nothing programming related there.

I therefore propose that be burned from all 718 questions which are currently tagged with it.

This has been suggested before as part of a longer list of company names which can be burninated

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    Hmm… Looking at the first few questions that currently have that tag, I'm not sure I agree with this burnination request. There are questions specifically about Nokia phones and SDKs, and it seems proper to have those questions tagged [nokia]. (This is just one example.) What else would you propose we tag them with?
    – Cody Gray Mod
    Commented Aug 17, 2017 at 10:34
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    Some of the questions regarding maps should be tagged with here-api. Company called "Here" was bought by Nokia Commented Aug 17, 2017 at 10:41
  • There is also a thing called Nokia Imaging SDK - see here Commented Aug 17, 2017 at 10:51
  • @VadimKotov a couple years ago it was sold again, to car manufacturers.
    – user247702
    Commented Aug 17, 2017 at 10:56
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    @CodyGray we can create a [Nokia-SDK], or whatever the official name for its SDK is, for SDK usage, which fits better in my opinion. If people want to keep the tag, it needs a solid rewriting of both excerpt and usage, to make it reflect what it's actually about. I do have concerns about misuse though, same as with [HTC] apparently being HTML-components as well. Are enough of the [nokia] tagged questions specific enough for Nokia phones, or is the majority of the questions about general app-development which happens to be on a Nokia model?
    – Adriaan
    Commented Aug 17, 2017 at 11:05
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    I don't see what problem it solves to append "-SDK" to the name. We have a [windows] tag. It doesn't need an "-SDK" wart. Again, a tag wiki edit is a completely separate project from a burnination request.
    – Cody Gray Mod
    Commented Aug 17, 2017 at 11:09
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    @CodyGray The problem it might solve is people tagging their general question [nokia] because they happen to own one of their phones and want it working on there, despite that being irrelevant to the question, same as tagging the question as well with [samsung], [htc], [lg] and whatever phone brands exist. Questions about app development specific for nokia phones can then have a tag which has a much lower amount of questions that should not have the tag, thus keeping the new tag much more focused than a broad company-name tag.
    – Adriaan
    Commented Aug 17, 2017 at 11:14
  • I propose this moves to a tag disambiguation, like sony tag.
    – Braiam
    Commented Aug 17, 2017 at 11:20
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    @Cody Gray: But hardly anyone asks questions about the Windows SDK, and the vast majority of [windows] questions are questions about developing on the Windows platform, regardless of what SDK is being used (if at all). The [nokia] tag could easily be mistaken to mean, as Adriaan says, just anything involving a Nokia(-branded) product. Renaming it to [nokia-sdk] would reduce the number of misuses of the tag - assuming it was always intended for SDK-related questions.
    – BoltClock Mod
    Commented Aug 17, 2017 at 13:04
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    @BoltClock Um, what? Hardly anyone asks questions about the Windows SDK? I see and answer a lot of them. If a question has a tag, but the tag is not germane to the question, then the tag should be removed from that question. This is nothing new; it's how all tags work. Just like when you put a [visual-studio] tag on a question about C# that has nothing to do with the IDE. The tag should simply be removed from the offending question, not burninated. I see no evidence that appending "-sdk" to a tag decreases misuse. Look how frequently, say, google-drive-sdk is misused.
    – Cody Gray Mod
    Commented Aug 17, 2017 at 13:06
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    @CodyGray then, as you say "the tag is not germane to the question", I hardly see any tag germane to nokia, the company, as on topic, ever.
    – Braiam
    Commented Aug 17, 2017 at 14:58

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Quoting the rest of #2:

Is the concept described even on-topic for the site?

This is kinda self-explanatory; Stack Overflow doesn't need a kittens tag, at least not until someone releases a hot new framework and names it "Kittens". All that a blatantly off-topic tag is gonna do is encourage blatantly off-topic questions, so removing it is good for everyone. Just be sure and do your homework: the last thing you want is to start removing tags only to be attacked by a bunch of angry kitten.js users.

The problem here isn't that Nokia is off-topic; it's that - as usual with company tags - there's more than one specific on-topic thing associated with Nokia.

IOW, it's kind of a broad tag. That's not really a big problem though; there are only 700-some questions in it.

The bigger problem is that there are often no more specific tags that can be used, nor are there likely to be. This is almost exactly the same problem with getting rid of the sony tag - we're never going to create new tag for every model of every thing Sony kicks out. To riff on Cody's comments, it'd be like getting rid of and in favor of a tag for every past or future Windows SKU... (Except, it'd be worse since there are probably more Nokia SKUs and certainly a lot fewer questions about them).

Quoting myself again...

If it looks like pointless busywork, it probably is pointless busywork...

See also: Should we burninate [sap]?

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  • Thanks for the detailed answer. The point that at this moment the tag is a mess remains however; it's excerpt is rubbish, there's no wiki and a lot of questions tagged with it don't need the tag. Should we try and fix those things? I'd love to do it, but I haven't seen any Nokia-specific feature here and since I'm not familiar with the techniques involved I can't do much except retag questions.
    – Adriaan
    Commented Aug 17, 2017 at 17:09
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    If you're so motivated, suggest edits to the wiki and retag questions. Otherwise, focus on areas where you feel you can do more good. Avoid frittering away your day removing a tag you don't care about from questions you also don't care about; that tends to not lead to good results.
    – Shog9
    Commented Aug 17, 2017 at 17:15

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