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I consider this issue closed.

I did not anticipate that so many people would be so adamantly against allowing re-open votes to take place simultaneously with close votes taking place.

As for those asking me for links (evidence), you have a good point. Although I have experienced this over the years, I did not keep a list, and I am unwilling to invest the time to search for them. I accept that my experience in this matter is rare, and perhaps even unique.


I see way too many good questions that are voted to be closed1. And the current SO UI doesn't even explain why a question has been voted to be closed until after it is already closed.

I would like the ability to counter close votes before the question is closed in two ways:

  1. Be able to view the rationale for the close vote, and the identity of the close voter prior to the question being closed. That way I can decide if I agree or disagree with the rationale for closing. Perhaps I'll add my vote to close or not.

  2. Be able to vote to re-open proactively prior to the question being closed, and supply the rationale for why the question should remain open.

I am writing this because too many of the questions I see closed seem to be closed simply because the close-voters don't know the answer to the question, and subsequently interpret the question as unanswerable. By the time someone knowledgeable comes around who could offer a beneficial answer, the question is already closed (sometimes within less than an hour of the question being asked).

Another possible solution would be to have a "minimal open time" for a question of say 24h, prior to closing so that more people would have a chance to weigh in or supply answers prior to closing.

It is not a level playing field for the reopen-voters when the only recourse they have is the comment section on an already-closed vote.

I submit that there are far more bad answers, than bad questions. So the benefit of the doubt should lean towards the questioner.


1I am not referring to questions I have asked. I am referring to questions others have asked, and I would like the opportunity to answer.

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    "Be able to view the rationale for the close vote" On non-mobile, you can see this if you open the close dialog, and see the blue counter for which reasons have been voted for. Commented Apr 27, 2017 at 2:29
  • Fair point. I was afraid to do that because that link said "close vote" and I didn't want to add my vote to that. Commented Apr 27, 2017 at 2:32
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    A minimal open time isn't going to work unless there is a way for the community to eliminate garbage questions bypassing that limit.
    – BoltClock Mod
    Commented Apr 27, 2017 at 2:42
  • I definitely don't want to see a cure that is worse than the disease. And UI on a network such as SO is not my area of expertise. I may not have outlined the correct solution in my question. My only goal is to open the discussion and give potential re-open voters a fighting chance. Commented Apr 27, 2017 at 2:59
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    If you have a question you think needs reopening, you can chat about it in SO Close Vote Reviewers (that room doesn't just review for closing, reopen requests are also welcome). Commented Apr 27, 2017 at 3:20
  • @AlexanderO'Mara: Thanks. I did not know about that list. It doesn't seem like a UI that is as friendly to reopening/keeping-open a specific question as the current UI is to closing one. Commented Apr 27, 2017 at 3:25
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    Suggestion 1a (show breakdown of close votes) is already implemented, as mentioned by Alexander O'Mara. I'm not sure if suggestion 1b (show identity of close voters) would help reasoning about the close vote rationales. Suggestion 2 is rather interesting -- it sounds like a better implementation for Directly vote to not close a question. For what it's worth, my own suggestion in this problem space is One-time notification about questioned close votes.
    – duplode
    Commented Apr 27, 2017 at 3:42
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    "I submit that there are far more bad answers, than bad questions. So the benefit of the doubt should lean towards the questioner." I suspect that massively depends on which tags you frequent. In the Java and C# tags, I'd say that bad questions significantly outnumber bad answers.
    – Jon Skeet
    Commented Apr 27, 2017 at 6:07
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    'I see way too many good questions that are voted to be closed' - guess what comes next..... yes, you guessed it - link some. Commented Apr 27, 2017 at 15:32
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    'I am writing this because too many of the questions I see closed seem to be closed simply because the close-voters don't know the answer to the question, and subsequently interpret the question as unanswerable.' - sorry, don't believe you without evidence. Please list some. Commented Apr 27, 2017 at 15:34
  • 'I submit that there are far more bad answers, than bad questions.' - not even close. Commented Apr 27, 2017 at 15:35
  • 'Another possible solution would be to have a "minimal open time" for a question of say 24h, prior to closing' - that would be the end of SO as anything but an open sewer. Commented Apr 27, 2017 at 15:37
  • I know you've already moved on, but you mentioned you didn't dare clicking on "close", because you thought it might vote immediately, which made me wonder – and in fact, it seems you've not cast a single close vote, ever (and only 5 down votes, at that). Do you really think there is nothing close-worthy, or do you frequent incredibly high-quality tags? Commented Apr 27, 2017 at 16:57
  • I have a high tolerance for beginners. Some of the best questions I've ever seen in my life (years before SO even existed) have come from beginners. I have even standardized C++ library features that were inspired by a beginner's "naive" question. If I think a question is not a great question, I don't upvote it. If I down vote it for any reason, I leave a comment as to why. When I come across a question that is so bad that I think it should be closed, 100% of the time it has already been closed by others. Some of that time, in my opinion the question should not have been closed. Commented Apr 27, 2017 at 17:06
  • Some of that time, the closed question has even been upvoted multiple times, and there exists upvoted answers for the question, and yet it was still closed (and not a duplicate). No I don't have a link to such an example. But I recall it happening. Commented Apr 27, 2017 at 17:07

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Be able to view the rationale for the close vote, and the identity of the close voter prior to the question being closed. That way I can decide if I agree or disagree with the rationale for closing. Perhaps I'll add my vote to close or not.

You can already see that. Well, the useful part of that. Click the "close" button, and you'll see all of the close votes that have been made. You won't see who made them, because really that serves no purpose towards determining whether the question ought to be closed for that reason.

Be able to vote to re-open proactively prior to the question being closed, and supply the rationale for why the question should remain open.

There's an entire menu for voting to close. There is no such menu for voting to reopen, since the reason for doing so is always the same: the question is fine for the site.

As for preemptive reopening, such that it takes a net 5 close votes to close a question... no. It's hard enough to close crap questions as it is; we shouldn't make it harder.

The #1 most effective way to keep a question from being closed is to fix it. If you genuinely believe that the question doesn't need to be fixed, look at the close vote reasons and clarify (either in a comment or a question edit) why the question shouldn't be closed.

It is not a level playing field for the reopen-voters when the only recourse they have is the comment section on an already-closed vote.

I think that's dismissive, since it takes 5 votes to close a question. So the deck is clearly stacked in the direction of "open" rather than "closed". There are tons of crap questions in low traffic tags that don't get closed, simply because 5 people with close voting powers don't deign to do so.

Also, the number of improperly closed questions is pretty small next to the number of properly closed questions. I am not aware of a particular rash of improperly closed questions. Yes, it happens, but I don't feel that it is often enough to warrant a site change.

Now, what might be OK is if your preemptive reopen vote doesn't actually take effect until the question actually gets closed. So it still only takes 5 votes to close, but if 5 preemptive reopen votes are made, then the close is instantly undone. But this should also mean that a closed question should be able to be given preemptive reclose votes.

I also have to take issue with:

I am referring to questions others have asked, and I would like the opportunity to answer.

We don't close questions just because someone doesn't want the opportunity to answer them. We close questions because they shouldn't be answered, either in their current form or at all.

There have been many questions I've voted to close which I have found intriguing. But the quality of this site is fundamentally based on the quality of questions. And question quality is not based on whether you like the question; it's about whether it makes for a good question for the site.

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  • We don't close questions just because someone doesn't want the opportunity to answer them. We close questions because they shouldn't be answered, either in their current form or at all you haven't seen enough of the C++ tag. The problem @HowardHinnant poses is real, I saw many times people voting to close questions for "religious" reasons (one of the worse is when areas where the language is weak are exposed, and people react with close votes). Commented Apr 27, 2017 at 5:12
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    I saw many times people voting to close questions for "religious" reasons @MatteoItalia - I would think it would be better to flag for moderator attention in that case. I don't suppose you have the link to one of those questions?
    – BSMP
    Commented Apr 27, 2017 at 6:14
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    @MatteoItalia: "one of the worse is when areas where the language is weak are exposed, and people react with close votes" That sounds very much like people closing an opinionated question asking about why some aspect of the language is designed that way. That's not "religious"; that's a valid close reason. Can you give examples of what you're talking about? Commented Apr 27, 2017 at 13:48
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    'I saw many times......' examples please. Commented Apr 27, 2017 at 15:39
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Another possible solution would be to have a "minimal open time" for a question of say 24h, prior to closing so that more people would have a chance to weigh in or supply answers prior to closing.

You're going to trap users with unsalvageable questions. Answers (or one up voted answer) make questions un-deleteable and unfortunately many users choose to post answers for typos, recommendation requests, and other questions that can't be fixed. This would actually make it harder for users who make mistakes to avoid question bans.

This also means a lot more questions that aren't useful are going to get stuck on the site simply because the larger about of votes and effort it takes to get rid of them aren't available.

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    "This also means a lot more questions that aren't useful are going to get stuck on the site simply because the larger about of votes and effort it takes to get rid of them aren't available" -- For one, it would largely nullify dupe hammers.
    – duplode
    Commented Apr 27, 2017 at 4:15

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