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I have read all that I can find that relates to this topic, but I have been unable to discover a resolution, or anything that might relieve the frustration that I know I share with many other users

If anyone has a problem with me raising more than a single topic in one post, then I direct them to my final paragraph. Unfortunately you may need to read all that intervenes for the pronouns to make sense

Every day we see questions like

Those have been posted in only the last 24 hours, and only tagged for the Perl language

We are cornered into either providing a solution, together with a huge amount of advice and encouragement to find the answers themselves, or to pick an inappropriate Stack Overflow reason to close

The root of this sentiment appears to be bohemian's Should we add a "Do my work for me" close reason? from October 2014, which has received 430 upvotes and 18 downvotes. It has always been tagged with discussion and close-reasons

I have tried to understand why this problem has always been ignored. I sense that those who frequent these pages are politically-minded, and it seems to me that perfectly valid requests or topics are often brushed aside just because, somehow, the request mustn't be discussed in its current state on the floor of the house. But that doesn't help me to understand why this concept has been repeatedly taken by the neck and drowned in the pond

There is a problem here, and too many people are forced to resolve it in their own way. I can't respect an authority that would rather turn a blind eye to what is essentially vigilante control, leaving that authority free to reprimand those who overreach while leaving the rest to police without the benefit of authorisation

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    i mean... we used to have a close reason that covered these, i'd suggest looking at why said close reason was removed. The current... solution if you can call it that is to simply cast a downvote. Unfortunately, that doesn't really work in practice because these easy to solve questions often get upvoted by answerers, whos answers also get upvoted due to being... "correct" thus drowning out any downvotes.
    – Kevin B
    Commented Feb 2, 2017 at 17:35
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    so.... I mean I get where you are coming from... but all these questions are currently on hold/closed ANYWAY.... what would bringing another close reason here would change?
    – Patrice
    Commented Feb 2, 2017 at 17:37
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    @KevinB: That's one of many secondary reasons why it's a dreadful idea to allow such stuff. Dreadful questions engender dreadful answers.
    – Borodin
    Commented Feb 2, 2017 at 17:37
  • @Patrice: It would at least give a warm feeling to those people who voted to close the questions for artificial reasons. It should also become part of the guidelines so that we have a reference when we kick people who ask how to print Hello, World!
    – Borodin
    Commented Feb 2, 2017 at 17:40
  • Yup, and a -1 vote straight away, despite 6 upvotes for the commenters that agree.
    – Borodin
    Commented Feb 2, 2017 at 17:41
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    @Borodin But they aren't artificial reasons.... one of them is too broad, WHICH IT IS. and the other 2 are the "debugging questions must include", which is also appropriate looking at the Qs... Again I get where you are coming from, but it's not like the current reasons are LACKING. Show me a question that cannot be put on hold with one of the current CV reasons, and that "do my work for me" would be able to close, and you will have an argument....
    – Patrice
    Commented Feb 2, 2017 at 17:42
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    My gut feeling tells me you're not patient with beginner questions...and you want a reason to concisely punish them beyond what's already provided (which actually works alright, given that all of your examples are closed).
    – Makoto
    Commented Feb 2, 2017 at 17:43
  • There aren't dupe target for these questions? Commented Feb 2, 2017 at 17:43
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    That message was beyond well-received, but you're slightly dodging my point. Given that by and large these are terrible beginner questions, they're all closed, and that the reasons for closure are appropriate, why do you feel the need to introduce something more?
    – Makoto
    Commented Feb 2, 2017 at 17:48
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    @Borodin Provide an open question that "do my work for me" would close, and that the current reasons can't cover, and you have me convinced. I have already said so. I am not "fighting hard". You come here saying "We need a close reason for questions like these" but... they are ALL closed appropriately. So I fail to see the benefit of your close reason, not without a good example of where it should be used.
    – Patrice
    Commented Feb 2, 2017 at 17:49
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    despite 6 upvotes for the commenters that agree - You can't down vote comments.
    – BSMP
    Commented Feb 2, 2017 at 18:16
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    I always go with "Unclear what you're asking", simply because they haven't told us what they have done and why it isn't working.
    – user1228
    Commented Feb 2, 2017 at 18:19
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    There is a link in the off-topic reason to do help page what an MCVE is. Questions seeking debugging help ("why isn't this code working?") must include the desired behavior, a specific problem or error and the shortest code necessary to reproduce it in the question itself. Questions without a clear problem statement are not useful to other readers. See: How to create a Minimal, Complete, and Verifiable example.
    – rene
    Commented Feb 2, 2017 at 18:44
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    A user not knowing or understanding what an MCVE is doesn't mean the close reason isn't applicable.
    – BSMP
    Commented Feb 2, 2017 at 18:52

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I'm not sure I understand exactly what your objection is to the specific questions you've called out, and certainly not enough to draw out a general problem, since I don't know beans about Perl. So I might be wrong here in the conclusions I'm going to attempt to draw, but I'm going to give it a shot anyway.

Yes, I think low-quality questions are a serious problem, and no, I don't think enough is being done about them. As Kevin B commented, there used to be a "lacks minimal understanding" close reason, but that got dropped along with an accusation that we were "misusing" it. I guess we lacked a minimal understanding of what that close reason was designed to be used for?

Anyway, since the "Summer of Love", we haven't had a good way of getting rid of questions like this. You can't flag them, because moderators will claim that this is something the community should handle on their own, even though we don't really have the tools or the scale to handle it. You can downvote them, but that doesn't make the problem go away—at least not soon enough. Eventually, it will lead to the source of these questions getting blocked from asking additional questions, but they can do plenty of damage to the community of experts assembled here in the meantime. In order to get enough downvotes for a ban to kick in, a lot of smart people have to waste their time reading the question, assessing its value, and expressing their evaluation with a downvote.

I think you should continue to downvote them, of course, but that isn't enough. We need a way to get rid of them. Fortunately, the ability to close questions hasn't been taken away from us altogether, so you will just need to apply a bit of creative thinking to the closure reasons that do exist. Here are the three you will want to use:

  1. Off-topic because… "Questions seeking debugging help ("why isn't this code working?") must include the desired behavior, a specific problem or error and the shortest code necessary to reproduce it in the question itself. Questions without a clear problem statement are not useful to other readers. See: How to create a Minimal, Complete, and Verifiable example."

  2. "unclear what you're asking"

  3. "too broad"

The bad questions that I believe you're describing, the ones where the author is the problem, are virtually always closable for one of these three reasons. If they're debugging questions, then you can close them for reason #1 because they lack an MCVE and/or a clear description of the problem. If they're more general questions, then you can close them as being "too broad" because an answer would need to be the length of a book or entire tutorial in order to cover all the necessary background information. Otherwise, they can be closed as "unclear" because they are.

This isn't ideal, since it still takes at least 5 highly-valued community members engaging with the question in order for it to be closed. I've recently written at length about better ways to deal with our current quality problems, and that's hardly the first time it's been discussed or solutions have been proposed. So far, no evidence that anyone with the power to do something about this is listening. The site's overall quality is festering, and there is ample evidence that this is driving experts away, yet the focus has been on adding new features of questionable utility and redesigning the user interface, which is akin to rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic post-iceberg.

Closing these types of questions as a duplicate will also work—sometimes. There are a couple of problems. First, finding a good duplicate target is hard and takes work. Second, it may not even be possible, since the problematic questions are often multiple questions in one, covering far too many bases to be answered adequately by a single duplicate. The upside, though, is that if you find a plausible duplicate, a gold tag badge holder can close the question as a duplicate immediately. This often makes it worth the effort to find a duplicate, and may even justify an "imperfect" duplicate closure.

As for the rest of your question—in particular the last two paragraphs—it reads a bit like an incoherent rant to me. Is "these pages" supposed to be Meta? What does it mean for someone to be "politically minded"? What specific "politics" do you think are at play here? And perhaps even more importantly, what do you think the solution should be? You haven't proposed one (maybe you did in the comments; I didn't read all of those).

The problem with a "do my work for me" close reason is, essentially, all good questions ask for someone to do work for the asker. That part is not what makes it a bad question. What makes it a bad question is it is vague, underspecified, incomplete, and/or would require an answer that is pages and pages long. Well, we do still have close reasons for these things. We just need to address the scale problem: the number of users with asking privileges vastly exceeds the number of users who have and exercise their moderation privileges, by at least two-fold.

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    The other problem with closing as a duplicate is that some questions are SO rudimentary there actually is no dup.
    – user663031
    Commented Feb 3, 2017 at 20:26

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