I am puzzled why this edit was rejected. I noticed two spelling errors which I corrected. Maybe such things bother me more than others, but why reject the fix?
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10"initialisation" is not wrong– FloernCommented Dec 8, 2016 at 16:18
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15It was specifically rejected by the original author, so even if there was a way to "contest" "erroneously" rejected suggested edits (there isn't), this would be an exception. Obviously Angew wanted to maintain his British spelling of the word. Do note that the general rule around here is that you should not correct British English to American English, or vice versa. It makes our friends on the other side of the pond somewhat uppity. :-)– Cody Gray ModCommented Dec 8, 2016 at 16:21
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2The larger intention of letting you edit posts before you have enough rep is to get you used to what is going to happen once you do get enough rep. Users will disagree with your edits then too, complaining about it isn't going to accomplish anything either. The zen is to not fret about it.– Hans PassantCommented Dec 8, 2016 at 16:28
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2@yellowantphil in a regular expression, yes.– GlorfindelCommented Dec 8, 2016 at 16:32
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I am glad that I asked. It is good to be enlightened. @HansPassant I wasn't complaining, just curious as to why. Valid British spelling wasn't the reason given for rejecting the edit. If it had said that then I wouldn't have posted my question here. You shouldn't imply motive when not in evidence.– user6004650Commented Dec 8, 2016 at 16:49
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4Valid British spelling wasn't the reason given for rejecting the edit. - I think they have to pick from a list of reasons when rejecting an edit. There probably wasn't a matching reason.– BSMPCommented Dec 8, 2016 at 16:53
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@BSMP Thank you. Perhaps "OP's alternate spelling is correct" should be added to the list. I am exposed to some British spellings but clearly not all.– user6004650Commented Dec 8, 2016 at 17:00
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6Don't vandalize your own post >:(– NissaCommented Dec 8, 2016 at 17:46
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7Also, re your edit, I highly doubt you've offended anyone with this post. It's been downvoted likely because people feel that your edit really shouldn't be accepted and was correctly rejected. That you didn't realize that was the British spelling does not change that it was okay to reject that edit. Voting on Meta is not necessarily dependent on the quality of your post, but can also be due to the voter's opinions of the premise of your post.– KendraCommented Dec 8, 2016 at 17:50
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3Don't worry about it. And don't bother making edits that only fix a couple misspellings. Save your edits for formatting or large problems.– user1228Commented Dec 8, 2016 at 17:50
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2@MikeJRamsey56 your edit seems to come from a mindset of "if someone downvotes me, he/she must be angry at me".... please don`t think like that... for your own sanity, if nothing else. Downvotes are all about your post and not about you at all. Here it could be that your initial description seems to argue that what happened wasn't okay, but the downvotes you get just indicate people disagree with you. I downvoted you and you didn't offend, irk, or irritate me. There is no need for a white flag or apologies.– PatriceCommented Dec 8, 2016 at 18:01
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2I can disagree with the premise of something and downvote based on that, but the Q&A pair still contains useful information. The downvote tooltip doesn't JUST say "not useful"..– PatriceCommented Dec 8, 2016 at 19:10
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2@MikeJRamsey56 sure.... think what you will. I downvoted because when I first saw your question it was sporting a false premise, so that is why I downvoted. Others downvoted for whatever reason they chose (among the couple already explained to you). Continue thinking the whole site is against you and out to get you... that'll fare well. If the whole site was so "black hat" as you say, would you have gotten an answer? no. Would people have commented to explain to you how your premises are flawed and in what way? no. Think what you will if you don't want to see it. Have fun, I'm done.– PatriceCommented Dec 8, 2016 at 21:33
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2@MikeJRamsey56 Point to me the kind of language that warranted the insult? YOU GOT YOUR ANSWER..... why are you still fighting? The intent of Stack is to build a repo of knowledge so that the NEXT person with your question can find help. Same on meta. Your question is important in THAT sense. Removing it means next time someone searches for your scenario, we'll get another rant and fight (for no reason).... isn't it better to bypass all that by leaving the answer on the site? (and you DID understand the actions, so insulting the community that answered your question isn't appropriate here)– PatriceCommented Dec 8, 2016 at 21:50
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1Mike, I am very sorry that you've received such a bad reception here on Meta. I literally have no explanation for why that might have happened. I confess that I didn't read all of the comments, but the question that you asked was eminently reasonable and presented in a respectable way, which is really all we ask. Sure, you clearly goofed here, but you did it with pure intentions and because you honestly didn't know better. That happens to all of us. I'm not trying to convince you not to have this question dissociated from your account or whatever, I'm just saying I'm sorry about what happened.– Cody Gray ModCommented Dec 9, 2016 at 11:14
2 Answers
initialisation
is just the British spelling, where Americans would write
initialization
There's no semantical difference between them whatsoever.
When editing, please keep the version of English used by the OP. Yes, you fixed the other typo, but this should help you understand why the OP single-handledly rejected the edit.
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1To the OPs credit, I didn't know that was the British spelling. The OP just might not have realized that was the case and was "correcting" it because it looks wrong. (Your answer's still correct, just pointing out it's not always so simple to know that it's a difference in the versions of English. If it's a word you don't see the British spelling of often, it might not click right away.)– KendraCommented Dec 8, 2016 at 16:19
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4@Kendra I set my browser spell checker to accept British and American spelling after I unknowingly "corrected" some British spelling once. Commented Dec 8, 2016 at 16:31
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@yellowantphil That's a good idea, especially if you're mostly on international sites like the Stack Exchange network. :)– KendraCommented Dec 8, 2016 at 16:39
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Kendra and @yellowtail. Thank you. I just changed my google chrome browser to spell check both English (American) and English (United Kingdom).– user6004650Commented Dec 8, 2016 at 17:15
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@MikeJRamsey56 you can flag your post for moderators to delete... but it likely will be rejected as there is absolutely nothing wrong with the question (maybe title now can be edited to include "spelling of initialisation", but that totally optional). Commented Dec 8, 2016 at 17:57
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4@MikeJRamsey56 in my opinion, this Q&A pair is certainly valuable to future readers. If even veterans like Kendra indicate they didn't know about this spelling difference ... You can request to disassociate the question from your account via the 'contact us' form. Commented Dec 8, 2016 at 17:57
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@Glorfindel Off topic, but that you consider me a veteran is a high compliment to my mind. Thank you for that. :)– KendraCommented Dec 8, 2016 at 18:58
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UK English and US English are both wrong when discussing C++, the correct spelling of formal C++ language productions is the one found IN THE C++ STANDARD. The Standard documents discuss "list initialization" at great length, while they never even mention "list initialisation" (things like "listing initialization" are also wrong). The edit was correct, the intent is to discuss the specific behavior of C++ "list initialization" by its correct name, not some sort-of-descriptive made-up term. Commented Dec 8, 2016 at 21:52
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4If what you're saying is true, @Ben, it would be literally impossible to have localized versions of Stack Overflow. Except when they're directly quoting from the standard, I'm pretty sure that Portuguese Stack Overflow uses the Portuguese translation of "list initialization". Do you really think people are confused about what they mean?– Cody Gray ModCommented Dec 9, 2016 at 6:33
It's surreal that people are fighting over spellings in different human languages, when the term in question doesn't come from any human language, it comes from the C++ Standard.
Subsection 8.6.4 is titled "List-initialization". The first sentence gives a definition for "list-initialization", and it appears several dozen times throughout the document. There is absolutely no meaning given to "initialisation", it doesn't even appear in the document.
When you mean to talk about a formally specified concept, please use the exact term that appears in the specification, not some approximation. Don't say "mold" when you mean "cast". Don't say "bequest" when talking about "inheritance". Or "object creation" when you mean "construction". Or "pattern" for "template". The vocabulary for computer science is different from either US English or UK English.
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Please note that I'm not against having UK English and US English equally acceptable for prose (y'know, the actual explanations). It's the technical terms that MUST be used as they appear in the specification. Commented Dec 8, 2016 at 22:11
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5if editor wanted to convince reviewers that overriding original spelling is justified by C++ Standard they would better explain that in edit-summary– gnatCommented Dec 8, 2016 at 22:14
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2Well that's just ridiculous to say it originated in the C++ standard. It's an English word first and foremost. Just because the standard used a different spelling than that of British English, doesn't mean it's now a new word.– Rob ModCommented Dec 8, 2016 at 23:01
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1@Rob: Its etymology traces back through English to Latin initiālis, but neither the English nor Latin words are being used in that answer, rather the C++ technical term, which is defined (spelling, meaning, usage, etc) by the C++ Standard, not by any dictionary. Commented Dec 8, 2016 at 23:05
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4Not an unreasonable answer, but I don't find it convincing. To this non-native speaker, the fact that the standard was written in American English seems arbitrary. If this was a question from Stack Overflow-in-Portuguese, it would use "inicialização de listas". Replacing the Portugusese translation with the original English expression wouldn't be reasonable. At most, "list-initialization" might be used parenthetically if there was a real need to make a precise reference to the standard subsection. I don't see why a scenario involving British English shouldn't be handled in the same manner.– duplodeCommented Dec 9, 2016 at 2:05
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@duplode: Well, in a context where the readers wouldn't benefit from the English roots of the term, it certainly would make sense to accompany it with a descriptive phrase.... but at that point, I would expect to other equally valid descriptions (the translation of "braced initializer" perhaps) about as commonly. And the term isn't "a precise reference to the subsection", but to the concept defined in the Standard, and yes, when referring to that concept you do need to use the exact name. We come across people all the time who try to redefine terms, and it just isn't helpful. Commented Dec 9, 2016 at 2:56