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The outcome of this process hasn't been a complete burnination but instead a tag warning has been implemented by Shog9. That is final

In Kill the [godaddy] tag with fire, we clearly agreed, that should die in fire. This is thus not a duplicate, but a different question, this time pulling things through.

It's still attracting new questions, most of which simply abuse the tag simply because, for example,

So the continued existence of this tag is actively hurting.

That was more than a year ago, and since then, the tag excerpt has been:

Do not use this tag. It is due for removal.

Can we finally burninate the tag, instead of letting it live in Limbo?

EDIT: Laurel recommended blacklisting the tag. That's something we should instantly do, shouldn't we? I wasn't aware of that option.

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    It wouldn't take forever.. just a couple days of concentrated effort by a core group of users. Most of these questions can be closed as off-topic, and that's a good place to start. I'd enlist the Close voters chat room for help. Mar 17, 2015 at 14:45
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    FYI - @gunr2171 runs the bot in the CV chat room. Mar 17, 2015 at 14:48
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    My reputation is too low to close vote, so I flagged them and left a comment.
    – Jørgen R
    Mar 17, 2015 at 16:41
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    "what kind of questions this tag attracts": Do you think there would be less such questions if the tag wasn't there? Or would they be asked anyway, with worse tags?
    – sth
    Mar 17, 2015 at 18:44
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    Blacklisting it would help prevent new questions, which seems like a good strategy considering there are 1k+ questions tagged with it right now.
    – Laurel
    Aug 6, 2016 at 21:02
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    It would be funnier to automatically remove the account of anyone who uses it
    – Hack-R
    Aug 6, 2016 at 23:58
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    perhaps 'Hunt down [godaddy]'? huffingtonpost.com/2011/03/31/…
    – Pekka
    Aug 7, 2016 at 0:10
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    [godaddy], go away from Stack Overflow
    – SE is dead
    Aug 7, 2016 at 6:42
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    I think it's a great tag. At least you know a better lay-of-the-land prior to giving assistance. Otherwise, half the time you are well into it before they mention facts of diminished rights and locked-down features.
    – Drew
    Aug 7, 2016 at 15:10
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    @Drew not really an argument, is it? we don't want to foster the kind of "heuristic" knowledge this implies, like "if your apache httpd doesn't work, disable SELinux" or "roundcube doesn't work on godaddy", we want people to learn the reasons why some things don't work, and we want to encourage people describing their setup and problem in full. tagging godaddy actively discourages people to take the time to study their environment, which is the solution to their problems very often. Aug 7, 2016 at 15:54
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    A tag like "shared-host" is perfect for my eyes as I debug questions in that realm
    – Drew
    Aug 7, 2016 at 15:55
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    @Drew like that much more! Problem is that people with this kind of question don't realize they should be tagging shared-hosting; they just know that godaddy hosts their website; so they don't come to the conclusion they should be using a tag that describes the class of problems. Aug 7, 2016 at 15:58
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    I believe by burning the GoDaddy tag it would show that SO is particular in providing support for third party services and or environments. If someone today chooses to burn the godaddy tag will someone tomorrow vote to burn the paypal tag? I smell a net-neutrally discussion coming on. Aug 9, 2016 at 18:01
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    @WilliamKnauss Interesting point. Though I can clearly say that Paypal does have a programming API and questions (that shouldn't be closed or re-tagged) carrying the paypal tag actually have something integral to do with programming with special respect to that API, or other Paypal services. Whereas the godaddy tag is a wild collection of questions without a common denominator (just like 4g0tt3nSou1's suggested web-hosting would terribly be). Aug 9, 2016 at 18:31
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    Not sure who requested this to be featured in the first place but as it is now status-planned the SOCVR is open to be heading this effort.
    – rene
    Aug 11, 2016 at 14:22

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Progress

You have helped out by reviewing the questions and answers in these tags by performing one or more of the following actions:

  • flag or close questions that are duplicate/off-topic/unclear/too broad/opinion based;
  • filter on these tags in the Close Vote Queue and review;
  • vote on the questions and its answers;
  • delete vote the question or answer(s) if there is nothing of value;
  • editing to add value (re-tag), or;
  • flag obsolete comments.

For the final stretch we need you to review the closed questions with a positive score and delete vote those that are not worth keeping around. Please note that the moderator team isn't thrilled about some calls we made, please be careful with your actions.

There is no need to remove the tag from questions if you think if it should stay closed. The tag will bulk-removed by a Community Manager when this review is finished.

More focused searches [open questions only]:

Reviewing

Remember that we don't want to destroy value so let salvaging a post be your first priority! If you have specific questions feel free to drop in the SOCVR, the GoDaddy Burnination room or leave a comment under this post.

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  • @dorukayhan unless he has a comment or edited the post, he's not notified.
    – Braiam
    Aug 11, 2016 at 17:49
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    @dorukayhan with all due respect, I'll decide what I accept, and I don't actually think this post is the answer to my question. It is a step in the right direction, but at a very specific point, there will be things left that are tagged godaddy, and we'll have a stalling progress like 2015. I've myself already voted on quite a few posts, but this is really going slow manually; my sad prediction is that manual retagging is too big an effort to do for those who come across this. No, this is not the answer, though this is really the right thing for a community to do. Aug 11, 2016 at 18:11
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    Oh ... challenge accepted ...
    – rene
    Aug 11, 2016 at 18:16
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    @MarcusMüller This is not the first nor the largest tag that has been handled by this process... trust the process, my friend :-)
    – TylerH
    Aug 11, 2016 at 18:18
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    @TylerH i.imgur.com/2jsfax6.jpg :) Aug 11, 2016 at 19:51
  • @MarcusMüller wrote: "Idea: blacklist godaddy; remove godaddy on the questions that are also tagged shared-hosting." As you said, we'd need to remove all the irrelevant tags/posts before we can re-tag the remainder, but this sounds like a good idea for a start.
    – Ber
    Aug 11, 2016 at 21:51
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    Who is going to help us with this in socvr? We need 4000 close votes roughly. Give or take thousands. Not to mention Delete votes.
    – Drew
    Aug 11, 2016 at 22:14
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    @Drew I agree, I don't know who requested this to be featured in the first place. Who ever did that now keeps quiet it seems. As I pinged Undo about taking it off the featured list and nobody stepped forward then the least we can do is provide some coordination. Totally agree with your call out here. If all who voted on this post care enough they will join.We'll see how it develops.
    – rene
    Aug 12, 2016 at 6:59
  • @Drew 4000 close votes are a lot. Like, for every one who's voted on my question, these are more than ten close votes. Assuming everyone has the privileges to do that kind of voting. Realistically, this means we need about twice as many close votes per person, not even counting the fact that I still skip questions with topics that I can't claim to be sufficiently confident in to choose a valid course of action. Really. Manually, this will, like last year, simply dry out. Aug 12, 2016 at 8:04
  • @rene I'll flag my post for moderator intervention, hoping this will do anything. Want me to add anything in the flag comment? Aug 12, 2016 at 8:05
  • @Drew also, just extrapolating from current speed: 40 closes in 10 hrs; this would take years. Aug 12, 2016 at 8:07
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    If we keep this answer updated, it will popup in the active list on meta, that will attract those who care
    – rene
    Aug 12, 2016 at 8:14
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    @MarcusMüller you think annoying users by making this featured again is helping? I doubt it will. I'm even afraid it might backfire on SOCVR, something I don't fancy much.
    – rene
    Aug 12, 2016 at 10:12
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    I burned a total of 120 CV reviews on godaddy now.
    – Magisch
    Aug 19, 2016 at 7:12
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    Two people have voted to close my question as duplicate of the "dead" question I was referring to. Could the SOCVR team please help clarify, so that we don't end up with a closed question in the middle of the burnination process? Aug 28, 2016 at 6:27
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Given that there are several examples of the tag being used where other tags are more appropriate, a blacklist and manual cleanup should be performed. There are some questions about the GoDaddy API that might need a tag if they don't have other problems. There are many others that might be fine questions asked in the wrong place (DNS stuff normally). Going through this list can give some ideas of what other tasks need to be done.

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    @MarcusMüller is easier to convince people to do a task when they aren't going against the tide...
    – Braiam
    Aug 8, 2016 at 20:09
  • :D message gotten Aug 8, 2016 at 20:13
  • This would appear to be the only use case for a Godaddy related tag, otherwise customers of Godaddy should use their knowledge base godaddy.com/help
    – Luke
    Aug 9, 2016 at 8:21
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    Still, point is that there are less questions with a positive score than there are zero-score questions. Manual cleanup ... might not feel overly rewarding. Aug 9, 2016 at 9:40
  • @MarcusMüller that's actually something positive, less questions to manually check ;)
    – Braiam
    Aug 9, 2016 at 17:36
  • The problem with manual cleanup with 600+ questions of positive score that come from the same family of questions that 900+ non-positive score questions is still a hell of a job, as of these 600+ questions 500+ are bound to be no fun to read Aug 9, 2016 at 18:33
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    @MarcusMüller if 1 out 10 people that view this question did 1 edit, we have 100 people to do other stuff.
    – Braiam
    Aug 9, 2016 at 18:35
  • Rename it shared-hosting per @Drew's suggestion above and vote to close anything that is not specific to the problems affected by shared webhosts: limited permissions etc. which is helpful to know; or otherwise unless it is retagged something more relevant. Delete tag / retag / close all off-topic or irrelevant use. (i.e. anything not relevant to shared-hosting and how it affects the problem at hand)
    – Ber
    Aug 9, 2016 at 19:21
  • Add a note saying "This tag is blacklisted. if your question is specific to a single hosting provider, it is better asked of your webhost tech support. If it is relevant to the question that you are on an Apache shared webhost, or other type of host, please use the shared-hosting tag instead."
    – Ber
    Aug 9, 2016 at 19:29
  • @Ber we can't "rename it" since some (most) are about people that just happen to be using GoDaddy... they are generic questions normally.
    – Braiam
    Aug 9, 2016 at 19:32
  • Rename the tag in all questions where the type of host is actually relevant, then delete the invalid tag or close the rest. This should be easy if so few have a hosting specific issue.
    – Ber
    Aug 9, 2016 at 19:39
  • @Ber err... and in what way that's different of what I propose?
    – Braiam
    Aug 9, 2016 at 19:46
  • It might not be. I'm just saying it might be helpful to post a notice directing users to the shared-hosting tag if it is relevant that they're on a shared webhost with limited functionality.
    – Ber
    Aug 9, 2016 at 20:03
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    @Ber but in that case, it's not a tag rename. It's a manual sorting of questions; Braiam is right, your suggestion doesn't contribute a viable alternative to this. Aug 10, 2016 at 9:12
  • It contributes a perspective on the need for tags that address a general set of problems that relate to, as @Drew and @ChrisHayes suggested, problems with the webhost. These can be generalized to a tag such as shared-hosting which is why that should be emphasized. All other use of such "brand-name" tag is simple mis-tagging which amounts to complaining (accurately) that users of certain tags, especially brand-names instead of product names like apache, are less likely to be experienced SO users. It's a fairly straightforward and common issue, nothing to get too frustrated about.
    – Ber
    Aug 11, 2016 at 5:04
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I agree with most of the community in saying that needs to be burninated. The SO Close Vote Reviewers are already in the process of cleaning it up, but the (off-topic) questions within the tag need close votes first.

Does it describe the contents of the questions to which it is applied? and is it unambiguous?

It is not ambiguous, let's get that out of the way. Clearly any question tagged with is going to involve GoDaddy in some way. You could call it broad though, as GoDaddy offers a range of services that the tag could possibly be signaling.

Is the concept described even on-topic for the site?

It's nowhere near as on-topic as and , and we know how that ended up. Some of the services provided may be on-topic here, but they aren't tag-worthy. And most of the questions aren't on-topic because there is nothing in the tag to encourage them.

Does the tag add any meaningful information to the post?

No. The tag could not stand alone on a question, and having it on a question adds no extra information that is useful.

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    What I miss is what to do when I hit this in the CVQ. Off-topic/SF? Are they open for these kind of questions? Can we add some guidance on that?
    – rene
    Mar 17, 2015 at 20:15
  • I'm making this as correct. It answers my question wether this tag deserves to be burnt. Now all we have to do is bring on the napalm.
    – Jørgen R
    Mar 17, 2015 at 21:03
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Rename it shared-hosting per Drew's suggestion above* and vote to close anything that is not specific to the problems affected by shared webhosts: limited permissions etc. which is helpful to know; or otherwise unless it is retagged something more relevant. Delete tag / retag / close all off-topic or irrelevant use. (i.e. anything not relevant to shared-hosting and how it affects the problem at hand)

  • (After removing invalid use of the tag to specify irrelevant details, "I am on GoDaddy, btw" which applies to any improperly used tag; should account for 90% of prior deprecated use)

Add a note saying "This tag is blacklisted. if your question is specific to a single hosting provider, it is better asked of your webhost tech support. If it is relevant to the question that you are on an Apache shared webhost, or other type of host, please use the shared-hosting tag instead."

Wash, rinse, repeat for all other hosting service providers. (Don't discriminate.)

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    "we can't "rename it" since some (most) are about people that just happen to be using GoDaddy... they are generic questions normally." it will require anyways a human to clean it up.
    – Braiam
    Aug 9, 2016 at 19:37
  • Again, see my comment / edit which I made per your earlier reply. I'm not proposing anything automatic except for the notice for future use of the tag. I'm only seconding Drew's suggestion that the tag be renamed to the non-host specific shared-hosting only on questions that are on-topic and relevant.
    – Ber
    Aug 9, 2016 at 19:50
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    We can't automatically retag a thousand questions to shared-hosting if of those thousand a solid percentage is plainly so bad that it shouldn't ruin another tag. Aug 9, 2016 at 19:50
  • This is simply data logic: (to use an analogy) you select all uses of the tag (valid or invalid), sort out and remove all the irrelevant use of the tag, and rename only the rest afterward. If the percentage is small it should be easier: you can leave it up to the users rescue a question by retagging after step 1 has occurred.
    – Ber
    Aug 9, 2016 at 19:57
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    @Ber that's manual sorting, as already suggested by Braiam Aug 10, 2016 at 9:13
  • I agree. Anything to spare the SOCVR folks of it. +1
    – Drew
    Aug 11, 2016 at 16:45
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    I totally agree with this. I am reviewing posts, voting to close off topic ones and the ones that are on topic, I'd much prefer to retag with a generic tag such as shared-hosting. But hey, who cares, we now need to delete a billion blinking posts off the site, like there's not enough to do already.
    – user3956566
    Aug 13, 2016 at 5:27
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As someone who has fairly often worked on complex web applications hosted on GoDaddy, who has some level of interest in such, I'd say go ahead and vet and prune the questions and burninate the tag.

  • Someone who wants to find Godaddy questions on StackOverflow can just use searches to find them anyway.

  • Currently, clicking on the Godaddy SO tag yields an atrocious blather of random questions on very different topics, because so many different things can be hosted there, and they have (and have had) all sorts of "tools" and "services" which change over time. Clicking on the Godaddy tag seems like a fairly silly thing to do unless you are a Godaddy customer support manager/researcher or something, in which case, you can also just use search.

  • I'm also someone who likes old arcane questions and newbie questions and doesn't like to see them die, but removing the tag won't hurt, and many of the older questions may have truly obsolete answers anyway, because Godaddy changes their stuff so often.

  • Godaddy also has quite good live 24-hour customer support for most basic-to-intermediate problems. I've never actually used SO for "actual Godaddy questions" because I can just phone them up.

On the other hand, I would say that there are a few topics which really are Godaddy-specific and some of them are SO-relevant... but you could still just use search rather than a tag.

Burn away...

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    sounds like it's just one of those meta-tags
    – gnat
    Mar 18, 2015 at 10:03

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